AM 33 wrote: Saltpeter
Price 3 gp
Weight —
Saltpeter is used to create fertilizers, propellants,fireworks, and preservatives.
Power Component
Doses 1 (1 gp); Spells fire descriptor
Effect +1 fire damage
The price is 3 gp, however, each dose is 1 gp. Is it an error?
Julien Dien wrote: AM 33 wrote: Saltpeter
Price 3 gp
Weight —
Saltpeter is used to create fertilizers, propellants,fireworks, and preservatives.
Power Component
Doses 1 (1 gp); Spells fire descriptor
Effect +1 fire damage
The price is 3 gp, however, each dose is 1 gp. Is it an error? No. Clearly a power component "dose" is one third of "—"(normal purchasing amount).
RAW is RAW and sometimes it gets rather generic/undefined as the writers considered it unnecessary to define. GMs are free to define it in their home game if they need to. "—" should be less than 0.5lb which makes refined saltpeter very expensive as a fertilizer.
o, The QUICK REFERENCE of Alchemical Reagents (Price per Dose) in AM 31 says, Saltpeter (3 gp). So I believe the Doses entry in AM 35 is an clerical error.
Alchemical Reagents
there is considerable variance in the write ups. Saltpeter Price:$3 Doses:1($1), Silver Price:$1 Doses:10($10), Smokestick Price:$20 Doses:1($20), Spirit of Wine Price:$0.5 Doses:6($3), ...
The standard meaning of "Price" is what the PC pays (BTB Cost) {and they should have used Trade Good price where applicable}. Doses is whatever the description says and I'd assume it's the amount(by price) a caster needs to get the bonus. "Cost/Use" or "Portions" might have been a better word for prorating it out, thus 3 would be three uses, 1/10 would mean you need to buy 10 for one use.
Given the variance your GM can sort it out.
sources in the Player Companion line: Adv Armory 2010, Alch Manual 2014. Generally the latest published item supersedes former publications. The Player Companion line doesn't get the editing oversight that the Core line gets.
Archive of Nethys(AoN) is considered the PF1 Rules Source since c2020. It only has minimal text. So from a RAW perspective we have to go with whatever AoN has. See link in my second post in this thread.
Reading the original source materials
Adv Armory, "saltpeter" does not appear (it should be circa pg 26). Bloodblock and several herbs uses the word "dose". Cost is listed in the table (pg 20 & 21) and one has to assume this is per dose.
nothing in Adv Armory 2. I checked for thoroughness.
Alch Manual pg 31, Quick Reference, Alchemical Reagents (Price per Dose) chart lists "Saltpeter (3GP)". The reason is many formulas in the book use this price for crafting specific items (all the formulas appear in the preceding pages). Advertisement pg 32. In a graphic titled Alchemical Reagents on pg 33 Saltpeter is listed as price 3gp (which agrees with the previous Formula Dose cost) then says "Doses 1(1gp)". This is telling you for a spell with a fire descriptor only 1gp or 1/3 a formula dose cost is needed.
So it is not a typographical error. The word Dose is used in two different contexts. The advertisement acts as a paragraph break. "Alchemical Reagents" appear in the front and back inside covers of the book. This hails back to my second post where I state "Doses is whatever the description says" and the conclusion in my first post. So this is a case where the minimal text on AoN didn't clarify if it was a typo, but rather correct as listed without context. AoN does not change RAW text (although quite a bit is deleted/not shown).
As I said before some words in the Game have specific meanings. Dose is not one of them so it can change with the context of how it is used. I believe you assumed it had one singular meaning and that led to the confusion and assumption that the Power Component listing was a typographical error. I'd also caution you that game books are a "Work of Art"(like a fictional novel) and not a technical manual or science textbook.
You said AoN is the official rules, however I can't accpet it.
I don't know why you talk about Bloodblock in AA, it seems irrelevant. You said Doses 1 should be 1/3 dose (1gp), I can't see your literature basis. All above seem like your own construct.
Quote: Power Component
Doses 1 (1 gp); Spells fire descriptor
There is a specification in that text "Power Component". So the text in that section is speaking of 1 dose when used as a Power component.
Quote: "Salpeter alchemical symbol" Saltpeter
Price 3 gp
Weight —
Saltpeter is used to create fertilizers, propellants, fireworks, and preservatives.
Here instead we have a section about Salpeter used for alchemical concoctions.
The price is for 1 dose of the Salpeter Alchemical reagent.
It is confusing to use the same term for two different things? Sure.
Is it a tradition that dates from the first edition of D&D? Sure! "Level" means spell, level, character level, dungeon level.
Diego Rossi wrote: Quote: Power Component
Doses 1 (1 gp); Spells fire descriptor
There is a specification in that text "Power Component". So the text in that section is speaking of 1 dose when used as a Power component. Yes, it's an explaination. However, is it unique, or is there any other similar case? If PF create a rule for Saltpeter only, I think it's more like an error.
Julien Dien wrote: Diego Rossi wrote: Quote: Power Component
Doses 1 (1 gp); Spells fire descriptor
There is a specification in that text "Power Component". So the text in that section is speaking of 1 dose when used as a Power component. Yes, it's an explanation. However, is it unique, or is there any other similar case? If PF create a rule for Saltpeter only, I think it's more like an error. More than an error with the price, it seems an error with lacking Doses: 1/3.
Not the only one in that cover:
Silver:
Power Component
Doses 10; Spells illusion school
Effect +1 to DC of Will saves to disbelieve
where is the cost?
Another questionable piece of information is in the Instant fertilizer formula:
15 magnesium + 20 phosphorus + 10 salt
The alchemical symbol for salt is a circle with a horizontal bar, and the symbol for salpeter is a circle with a vertical bar.
Salt description:
Salt is a vital mineral commodity. It is most commonly used as a desiccant and as a catalyst.
Salpeter description:
Saltpeter is used to create fertilizers, propellants, fireworks, and preservatives.
So, you use the desiccant to make fertilizer? Or someone has drawn the wrong sign, then the text format formula has been written down with the wrong component?
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