Spheres of Power Archetype Compatibleity Question

[ShadowcatX]

Two archetypes with:

This ability replaces the magic talent gained at 1st level.

Are compatable with one another aren't they since a SoP character gets 2 talents at first level?

This question specifically occurred to me looking at a Marshall Controller mageknight and wondering if it is compatible with Resizer.

[Greylurker]

Generally Archetypes can't mix if they both alter the same things.
That said the Martial Controller does explicitly say it mixes with other Archetypes that replace magic talents but both it and the Resiezer give up the 1st level magic talent.

So as written you can't do it but you could talk to your DM to see if he'll give you an exception

[ShadowcatX]

Greylurker wrote:

Generally Archetypes can't mix if they both alter the same things.

That said the Martial Controller does explicitly say it mixes with other Archetypes that replace magic talents but both it and the Resiezer give up the 1st level magic talent.

So as written you can't do it but you could talk to your DM to see if he'll give you an exception

The point is that there are two magic talents at first level.

[necromental]

ShadowcatX wrote:

Greylurker wrote:

Generally Archetypes can't mix if they both alter the same things.

That said the Martial Controller does explicitly say it mixes with other Archetypes that replace magic talents but both it and the Resiezer give up the 1st level magic talent.

So as written you can't do it but you could talk to your DM to see if he'll give you an exception

The point is that there are two magic talents at first level.

Two bonus talents are a part of spherecasting class feature (and are also conditional). Bonus Talent is a separate class feature. The one which is altered by both archetypes. So by RAW, no, you cannot combine them.

[ShadowcatX]

necromental wrote:

Two bonus talents are a part of spherecasting class feature (and are also conditional). Bonus Talent is a separate class feature. The one which is altered by both archetypes. So by RAW, no, you cannot combine them.

Ok, pause. I never realized that MageKnights got the bonus talent at first level, I looked at the chart and just skipped over reading the talent section because in every other class it just says per the chart. Thank you for that.

Part of me is wanting to keep arguing my case because there are a lot of factors that can be argued for RAW here. However, I think RAI the two of you are likely correct. That makes me a bit sad because the two archetypes play very well together, but I got a free magic talent out of the conversation, I shouldn't complain too much. Thank you both.