The only possibility I can think of is witch or shaman, and even this seems controversial. In this case one could use AF on one specific hex. Are there any other classes where AF could be leveraged to optimize a build?
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PFS is hard no, the monster feats apply specifically to monsters, and specifically disallows feats from the bestiary.
But there's always Rule 0 if you're DM'ing a game at your own table. The Monster Manual says that PC's could qualify for monster feats, especially via Craft Construct.
If you're not the DM, then you should definitely check with your DM before doing this. Most DM's will allow it as long as you meet the prerequisites, but it depends on the DM. I allow it and I haven't had any problems yet.
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Pretty much any character that has any form of special attack that requires a saving throw, could benefit from this feat. Rogue talents that offer saving throws to avoid effects, alchemical bombs, ninja tricks, monk ki powers, stunning fist, etc, etc. I don't think it would be applicable to spells. They don't normally fall into the 'special attacks' section of a monster entry.
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Races with poison or SLAs with saves also come to mind.
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all playable races should also be in the monster manual so way not?
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all playable races should also be in the monster manual so way not?
Depend on how literally you take:
"Benefit: Choose one of the creature’s special attacks."A GM can argue that a class SA isn't a creature SA as you will not find it in the base creature statblock.
Some class SA have specific feats to boost them, so the argument isn't that far-fetched.
To be fair when they first wrote it, none of the Core Races had anything that would of benefited from Ability Focus anyways.
Honestly considering that Spellcasting has a way to increase the Save DC's through Spell Focus (and others), letting anyone take Ability Focus for non-Spellcasting Class Features is perfectly fair.
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Honestly considering that Spellcasting has a way to increase the Save DC's through Spell Focus (and others), letting anyone take Ability Focus for non-Spellcasting Class Features is perfectly fair.
Note that Ability focus works for a single Special Attack, not for a class feature.
It is a big limit, as it means that you can't take it with the hex class feature, the Wild shape class feature, etc.With the hex class feature, you need to choose a single hex that is an attack, like the Slumber hex.
Ability focus is a Monster feat, and as such, it is more specific than the feats intended for PCs.
There are feats that work with specific class features, but, generally, they do something different from simply increasing the DC.
I agree with Diego, the more I think about it the more it must apply to a special attack, not for an entire class feature.
It sounds like anything a character can do that requires a saving throw that is not a spell could potentially qualify.
What if someone said they wanted to apply it to a specific barbarian's rage power, such as ground breaker or summer rage?
A bard's Fascinate ability?
A bloodline ability, such as a breath weapon?
A brawler's knockout ability?
What about a cleric's domain ability? Are both SLA's and supernatural abilities eligible, or just the SU?
If it breaks invisibility, it's an Attack. If it's labelled Special, it's special. If it's both, it's a Special Attack. Otherwise, ask your GM.
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all playable races should also be in the monster manual so way not?Depend on how literally you take:
"Benefit: Choose one of the creature’s special attacks."
A GM can argue that a class SA isn't a creature SA as you will not find it in the base creature statblock.
Some class SA have specific feats to boost them, so the argument isn't that far-fetched.
my point is that this goes into metagaming between players\non layers characters.
why would one creature from a race that ,lets say have a poison ability, be able to take the ability focus feat while his brother who happen to be a player character can't?
this is not like a template which change the entire creature. feats every1 can have, so if you have all the requirements for a feat the only thing stopping you from taking it shouldn't be 'it's from a book that have monster's info in it'. more so if your own race is also part of said book!
people are monsters too.
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all playable races should also be in the monster manual so way not?Depend on how literally you take:
"Benefit: Choose one of the creature’s special attacks."
A GM can argue that a class SA isn't a creature SA as you will not find it in the base creature statblock.
Some class SA have specific feats to boost them, so the argument isn't that far-fetched.my point is that this goes into metagaming between players\non layers characters.
why would one creature from a race that ,lets say have a poison ability, be able to take the ability focus feat while his brother who happen to be a player character can't?
this is not like a template which change the entire creature. feats every1 can have, so if you have all the requirements for a feat the only thing stopping you from taking it shouldn't be 'it's from a book that have monster's info in it'. more so if your own race is also part of said book!
people are monsters too.
And what I am saying is that a GM can argue that it applies to a creature's racial abilities, like poison for a creature with a poison bite, but not to a class feature like a Witch Slumber hex.
It isn't PCs vs NPCs, it is "from your race" vs "from your class".
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special attacks list ALL of the creature's special attacks. it doesn't matter if it got it's breath attack from feats, from a class or from the race.
they are all the creature's special attacks. when a goblin sneak gain it's sneak attack and have it listed as special attack, he didn't get it from his race he got it from a level of rogue (along with other rogue class abilities). granted that specific ability can't sue ability focus for not having a dc, but the same would apply to any other ability granted from a class.
same goes for goblin frog talker, this goblin witch can have ability focus for it's hex, why can't it's sister who happen to be a player character?
Well, I think there's room for both interpretations. Ultimately it's a GM decision, I was just wondering if there's some guideline I was missing.