"Treasure for New Characters" and individual runes


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The "Treasure for New Characters" table (https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=587) lists the item levels a character can start with. For example, a character starting at 5th level could take a single 4th level item, 2 3rd level items, 1 2nd and two 1st.

If a player wants an item composed of multiple runes, does each rune count against the items limits specified above? For example, would a +1 striking weapon take 4th level item _and_ and 2nd level item slot?


From the same text you linked;

Treasure for new characters wrote:
If the player wants armor or a weapon with property runes, they must buy the property runes separately, and for armor or a weapon made of a precious material, they must pay for the precious material separately as well.

Edit: so a +1 striking silver longsword would count as 4 permanent items of varying levels, or the relevant costs out of the gold in the currency part of the table, or a combination of the two.


I believe it would be three items. The +1 Striking portion isn't a property rune but a fundamental rune, so IMO it's not under that section of the text.


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A +1 striking weapon is one item, and a silver weapon is one item.


An item's level is equal to its highest level rune.

So no, you don't count each rune.


The Gleeful Grognard wrote:

An item's level is equal to its highest level rune.

So no, you don't count each rune.

That's only partially correct. The weapon itself plus its fundamental runes is a single item. But property runes are separate items.

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A single item on this table is always a baseline item. If the player wants armor or a weapon with property runes, they must buy the property runes separately, and for armor or a weapon made of a precious material, they must pay for the precious material separately as well.

Source.


So a +1 Striking Silver Longsword would be three items. One is the +1 Striking rune, one is making it Silver, and one is the actual Longsword. (I also acknowledge that counting the longsword as an item really won't matter in the grand scheme of things after the first couple levels and can probably be handwaved, but for the sake of completeness, and if they ever print significantly higher-cost weapons it seemed prudent.)


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Perpdepog wrote:
So a +1 Striking Silver Longsword would be three items. One is the +1 Striking rune, one is making it Silver, and one is the actual Longsword. (I also acknowledge that counting the longsword as an item really won't matter in the grand scheme of things after the first couple levels and can probably be handwaved, but for the sake of completeness, and if they ever print significantly higher-cost weapons it seemed prudent.)

No, it's 2 items. Fundamental Runes usually include the price of the weapon itself. Tha basic magic weapon rules say

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The magic weapon stat block covers the Prices and attributes of the most common weapons you can make with only fundamental runes.

So a +1 Striking Weapon is always 100 gp. Doesn't matter if it is a Dagger or a Greatsword.

You still need to pay for the Silver, though.


I read that line as meaning that it's covering the most common combinations of fundamental runes, not the entire weapon.


Based on what has been shared, I think that the RAW is that a +1 striking silver longsword is just two items. (a level 4 weapon and a 2 level precious material). At that level the cost of a base longsword is negligible anyway (1 gp compared to the 144 gp cost of a +1 striking silver longsword), so it makes sense.

(I misread the text I posted, missing that it specifically mentioned property runes instead of all runes).

I had also forgotten that basic magic weapons are listed as discrete items, in addition to the fundamental runes being listed separately.

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