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I'm just surprised the wizard was using the crossbow instead of the alchemist, and that the wizard didn't seem to have any slotted spells in the +2/+3 level encounters.
Was the Alchemist not a Bomber? Bomber Alchemists never have to worry about Splash hitting allies.
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The alchemist was new to the system and probably needed more help from GM to gear up (me and him got 75 gold to start with and buy whatever we want since we joined at level 3). Now that I think about it firing the crossbow at -5 MAP after throwing a bomb would have probably been even worse than wizard firing it after casting a save spell.
It's definitely worse, but it also means the alchemist wouldn't have had to burn reagents as much. That's really the purpose there, to save the alchemist's resources.
Wizard doesn't have to worry about that because cantrips.
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I'm just surprised the wizard was using the crossbow instead of the alchemist, and that the wizard didn't seem to have any slotted spells in the +2/+3 level encounters.
Wizard was planning to use animate dead + final sacrifice combo vs until I reminded him that the room with golem is a library with books to sell and then they went back to using produce flame.
As for the +2 enemy, that one was pretty unlucky and got repeatedly stun locked by ghoul's paralyze ability. So there wasn't really need for them to use stronger spells more than once.
Was the Alchemist not a Bomber? Bomber Alchemists never have to worry about Splash hitting allies.
And to clarify: Alchemist is a bomber yeah and he just misunderstood how the bomber's ability to choose to deal splash damage worked. He DID have just as awful dice luck as the wizard did with produce flame later on (alchemist rolled attacked total of 4 times, first one nat 1 with hero point reroll to non nat 1 critical failure, another nat 1 later on and other two were misses) so only damage they could have dealt would have been splash damage.
Alchemist stated they'd rather not deal splash damage at all to fighter and while I did think it was bit odd, I didn't think of questioning it right then to keep things moving.(I have practice to avoid asking "Are you sure you remember how your character works?" unless success of players hinges on it right then. This was the enemy that had gotten stunlocked so it wasn't as important, I would have asked about it at the golem encounter had it come up again)
Anyway, speaking of forgetting, remembered to ask player about it now thanks to this thread x'D Well would probably have remembered when I check through their sheet(alchemist finished with character right before start of session and I did tell new players I do allow them do changes to character as they were playing game on first time on level 3 if they felt their character was off.)
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Sounds about right. ... I'm sure people here will say that the Wizard needed to target the monster weakest save or some such nonsense and the Alchemist is there to give you healing potions or whatever.
This sounds about right. A wizard goes around shooting a crossbow and a bomber forgets the main class feature, and haters blame a poorly-designed class.
To be clear, I'm GMing Malevolence and I would absolutely steer characters away from alchemist (unless I wove in some Crafting subplots or homebrewed in better alignment damage). I also don't think new players should play alchemists.
But as soon as I saw 0 damage from the alchemist I lolled because I knew it was an exaggeration or a rules problem.
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Sounds about right. ... I'm sure people here will say that the Wizard needed to target the monster weakest save or some such nonsense and the Alchemist is there to give you healing potions or whatever.This sounds about right. A wizard goes around shooting a crossbow and a bomber forgets the main class feature, and haters blame a poorly-designed class.
To be clear, I'm GMing Malevolence and I would absolutely steer characters away from alchemist (unless I wove in some Crafting subplots or homebrewed in better alignment damage). I also don't think new players should play alchemists.
But as soon as I saw 0 damage from the alchemist I lolled because I knew it was an exaggeration or a rules problem.
Fun fact, I did warn them and they said if character dies they will just make new one :D (that and part of why I offered players free rebuilds is if they notice the build/class they chose doesn't work like they thought or is way different from 1e version, so if on level 4 they don't feel happy with choice of class, that offering is still open)
That said I'm not too worried about alchemist. They will learn to use their sling more in time and abomination vaults as mega dungeon doesn't really have time pressure in same way as typical adventures do, so players tend to rest everytime dungeon throw something really bad in their way and exhausts their resources. (that and I find them to be easiest type of adventure archetype to adjust what dungeon locals do in day while players are resting :D)
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Fun fact, I did warn them and they said if character dies they will just make new one :D (Sounds about right. ... I'm sure people here will say that the Wizard needed to target the monster weakest save or some such nonsense and the Alchemist is there to give you healing potions or whatever.This sounds about right. A wizard goes around shooting a crossbow and a bomber forgets the main class feature, and haters blame a poorly-designed class.
To be clear, I'm GMing Malevolence and I would absolutely steer characters away from alchemist (unless I wove in some Crafting subplots or homebrewed in better alignment damage). I also don't think new players should play alchemists.
But as soon as I saw 0 damage from the alchemist I lolled because I knew it was an exaggeration or a rules problem.
I think your player may be overlooking something there. A character who deals zero damage isn't very likely to die because any enemy with a survival instinct won't bother targeting them. A poorly built/played melee character will probably be killed, but an alchemist not so much. You're more likely get your allies killed.