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Krajeek wrote: I'd like to see a few other Heritage options. Stuff like Bleached Gnome or Possessed Doll Poppet. For Possessed Doll Poppet, I figure it could use the Levitator trait from Familiars. It is really weird that we still don't have a bleachling gnome heritage for 2e, yeah. Especially because I'm pretty sure one was in the playtest material?
As for the possessed doll, PC ancestries are generally really stingy with expanded movement types in 2e - look at how flying feats work! And considering that sort of mobility is generally gated behind level 8 for PC options, it seems a bit high-budget for a heritage. Would make perfect sense as an ancestry feat though.
NoxiousMiasma wrote: [snip]
As for the possessed doll, PC ancestries are generally really stingy with expanded movement types in 2e - look at how flying feats work! And considering that sort of mobility is generally gated behind level 8 for PC options, it seems a bit high-budget for a heritage. Would make perfect sense as an ancestry feat though.
This is a fair point, and I could see it as a level 5 feat with the prerequisite of Possessed Doll heritage, since Awakened Animals already get full Flight at 9th level. Glide is also comparable, and it's a level 5 feat of other ancestries (Iruxi, Grippli, Leshy). I just don't know what the heritage should give that is iconic of the concept.
Krajeek wrote: NoxiousMiasma wrote: [snip]
As for the possessed doll, PC ancestries are generally really stingy with expanded movement types in 2e - look at how flying feats work! And considering that sort of mobility is generally gated behind level 8 for PC options, it seems a bit high-budget for a heritage. Would make perfect sense as an ancestry feat though.
This is a fair point, and I could see it as a level 5 feat with the prerequisite of Possessed Doll heritage, since Awakened Animals already get full Flight at 9th level. Glide is also comparable, and it's a level 5 feat of other ancestries (Iruxi, Grippli, Leshy). I just don't know what the heritage should give that is iconic of the concept. A bonus against Emotion and Possession effects, immunity from the Possession trait (as it's so vanishingly narrow and rare), or resistance to Void or Mental damage would be where I'd start building such a heritage.
Perpdepog wrote: A bonus against Emotion and Possession effects, immunity from the Possession trait (as it's so vanishingly narrow and rare), or resistance to Void or Mental damage would be where I'd start building such a heritage. So basically a reskinned Wishborn Poppet, got it. Thanks for the input, as that gives me something to think about. I'd like to see the feat implemented, but it's probably just a pipe dream.
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Less an ancestry and more a heritage, but I just realized we don't yet have an Aquatic Elf heritage.
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I know it's petty, but the fact that none of the issues of Myth-Speaker included a writeup for the stheno as an ancestry option disappointed me greatly. Like, of ALL the places you could promote them to playable, with so many prominent stheno NPCS...it's such a big missed opportunity. T_T
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I’ve always wanted something vaguely like a Nephilim but fae focused.
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Archpaladin Zousha wrote: I know it's petty, but the fact that none of the issues of Myth-Speaker included a writeup for the stheno as an ancestry option disappointed me greatly. Like, of ALL the places you could promote them to playable, with so many prominent stheno NPCS...it's such a big missed opportunity. T_T Interestingly, it DOES talk about Fauns like they're an Ancestry!
Zoken44 wrote: You mean... changelings? Those are part Hag. Right down to their ancestry feats,
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Arssanguinus wrote: I’ve always wanted something vaguely like a Nephilim but fae focused. We've kind of got the Fey Ancestry feat line, as universal ancestry feats. They can kind of give a fey versatile heritage vibe, I guess?
I also want the Fey-Touched heritage to finally be released. It annoys me because they appear in the world, too! And they all use the same term, "Fey-Touched," There is the Old Beldame, Elga Verniex, in Kingmaker, an old woman who people believe is a hag witch, but in reality, she is fey-touched human sorcerer born of fey influence, making her green.
Then there is the entire Island of Bhopan, who consist almost entirely of fey-touched humans whose fey influence turns them into humans with a diverse array of animal traits.
Fey Influence is... an option. But it is simultaneously not enough when Nephilim and Geniekin exist, and it is also Legacy, which means Remaster has the opportunity to do something more suitable. Plus, for the ancestry feat coming from the chapter about Bhopan, it does not do a lot to make you into a person represented in the country. You cannot make a fey-touched human with, using the pictures in the book as an example, toucan, lemur, bat, raccoon, dog, red panda, snake, or hyena features.
These are not awakened animals, nor are they beastkin (well, some of them are beastkin), they are fey-touched humans.
Anyway, Hungerseed got to get its own heritage instead of being a tiefling subtype, and I was originally expecting it to just become a lineage of nephilim, so I'm hoping fey-touched eventually gets its proper treatment.
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This makes me wonder though. Starfinder is getting Galactic Ancestries, and Pathfinder's been pretty on the ball with bringing old content to the new system, especially with work like Divine Mysteries.
I wonder if Pathfinder might get its own new Ancestry book in a year or two. After all, we still haven't had a book to publish the geniekin with their new names.
It'd also be a good opportunity to change the Fleshwarp to a versatile heritage.
I also feel there is thematic room to change fetchlings to a netherworld-influenced versatile heritage alongside fey-touched. 2E broke away from planar scions always being human, and it always struck me as odd that Fetchlings remained human exclusive. Granted, the lore makes sense, but you'd think there'd at least be halfling variants.
moosher12 wrote: This makes me wonder though. Starfinder is getting Galactic Ancestries, and Pathfinder's been pretty on the ball with bringing old content to the new system, especially with work like Divine Mysteries.
I wonder if Pathfinder might get its own new Ancestry book in a year or two. After all, we still haven't had a book to publish the geniekin with their new names.
It'd also be a good opportunity to change the Fleshwarp to a versatile heritage.
I also feel there is thematic room to change fetchlings to a netherworld-influenced versatile heritage alongside fey-touched. 2E broke away from planar scions always being human, and it always struck me as odd that Fetchlings remained human exclusive. Granted, the lore makes sense, but you'd think there'd at least be halfling variants.
That'd be great! And a big book of ancestries could be a great place to put ones that aren't on-theme for upcoming books.
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Arssanguinus wrote: Zoken44 wrote: You mean... changelings? Those are part Hag. Right down to their ancestry feats, Right, and Hags are fae, hence I brought them up.
Zoken44 wrote: Arssanguinus wrote: Zoken44 wrote: You mean... changelings? Those are part Hag. Right down to their ancestry feats, Right, and Hags are fae, hence I brought them up. But it’s not like a nephilim but fae as it’s much more concentrated. .
Hags aren't fey on Pathfinder. They are just hags. Some are fiends though.
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Exequiel: Was that a change that came with the remaster?
Arssanguinus: I guess that makes sense, but fae is such a broad category that... I mean what would you do with that other than the Fey Ancestry feat that Noxious brought up.
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Zoken44 wrote: Exequiel: Was that a change that came with the remaster?
Arssanguinus: I guess that makes sense, but fae is such a broad category that... I mean what would you do with that other than the Fey Ancestry feat that Noxious brought up.
It’s not really broader than Nephilim.
Zoken44 wrote: Exequiel: Was that a change that came with the remaster?
Arssanguinus: I guess that makes sense, but fae is such a broad category that... I mean what would you do with that other than the Fey Ancestry feat that Noxious brought up.
I actually don't know if its a Remaster thing or not, but I don't recall hags being fey on Pathfinder at all so I'm inclined to think its no the case.
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All hags are Humanoids, both Remaster and OG. Premaster Night Hags do have an additional trait, but it's Fiend, not Fey. Changelings are fun, but they're not a fey heritage.
Zoken44 wrote: Arssanguinus wrote: Zoken44 wrote: You mean... changelings? Those are part Hag. Right down to their ancestry feats, Right, and Hags are fae, hence I brought them up. Hags are not fey. If they were, they'd have the fey trait.
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Hags have been humanoids (Or well, humanoid adjacent at least) since not just pre-Remaster, but even dating wayyy back to 3.X (and whilst it's harder for me to check, I'm fairly certain going back even further to the earliest days of the game). They only became fey in DnD 4e.
Bugbears I guess. Overall I am fine, but I want to run PF2e in Eberron some day and if Paizo saves me the work on making an ancestry that would be pretty great.
I am not dying for anything though. I don't think we have any horrendous missing pieces from ancestries. A little off topic but an oozemorph heritage might be nice. The way we have Beastkin and Werecreature Archetypes both accessible I would like to see for oozes, but off topic.
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Wow, guilty of 5e carry over, sorry.
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