Arcane spell lvls and spell like abilities, arcane bond.


Rules Questions


If I go 3 levels of Horizon Walker and get terrain dominance (astral) and recive Dimensional door as a spell like ability; will that count as a arcane spell lvl?

If I recieved the ability at lvl 9, would I have 9 arcane spell levels? Or just 3 because I only had to go 3 lvls into it, to receive the ability.

If so, if I go into eldritch heritage and choose arcane bond (weapon [quarter staff/double bladded sword] or any double weapon) can I use my arcane level from that ability to count as my arcene level?

Are their any alternative ways to receive a arcane spell lvl; with out being a arcane caster as in wizard, sorcerer and the like?

I am trying to get a double weapon on a marital character that lvls with him/her with out the caster lvls. But im not sure how else to recieve the power. I was hopeful someone would know of a work around or some shenanigans.

Its really about the arcane bond ability and it progressing with my character.


I'm not sure if I understand your question right. The only thing Arcane Bond has level-related is the virtual item creation feat, and that one only cares about Wizard level (and only about whether you have enough). I don't see any "progressing with my character", not even on a pure Wizard. Furthermore, Eldritch Heritage progresses level-dependant things (so at 7th level you can enchant the weapon as per Craft Magic Arms and Armor), no shenanigans needed.

There is no such thing as "a arcane spell lvl". I think you just mean caster level (that's a game term, and different from levels in a casting class). You haven't mentioned anything actually caring about caster level, but Horizon Walker wouldn't help any way, because a caster level from an SLA doesn't count for other things (see this FAQ).


Yeah, Arcane Bond items don’t automatically upgrade with level anymore than other items. You can upgrade them for reduced cost as if you had the appropriate craft feat (which may be why you are asking about caster level?), but if that’s all you are looking, the Master Craftsman feat is a better path (still takes two feats, but you get the full Crafts Arms and Armor instead of just applicability to one item).


Derklord wrote:

I'm not sure if I understand your question right. The only thing Arcane Bond has level-related is the virtual item creation feat, and that one only cares about Wizard level (and only about whether you have enough). I don't see any "progressing with my character", not even on a pure Wizard. Furthermore, Eldritch Heritage progresses level-dependant things (so at 7th level you can enchant the weapon as per Craft Magic Arms and Armor), no shenanigans needed.

There is no such thing as "a arcane spell lvl". I think you just mean caster level (that's a game term, and different from levels in a casting class). You haven't mentioned anything actually caring about caster level, but Horizon Walker wouldn't help any way, because a caster level from an SLA doesn't count for other things (see this FAQ).

Ty for replying. I thought that you needed a certain caster level, to increase the enchantments on your arcanebonded weapon. Can you choose a (gun) as your arcanebonded weapon?

Ex: if you choose a familiar and want to make that familiar a earth elemental. you need a "5th arcane spell level" and be neutral alignment.

I thought you needed a certain caster level to increase the effectiveness of the weapon. But arcane bond doesn't say that you do. I appreciate the FAQ.


Lelomenia wrote:
Yeah, Arcane Bond items don’t automatically upgrade with level anymore than other items. You can upgrade them for reduced cost as if you had the appropriate craft feat (which may be why you are asking about caster level?), but if that’s all you are looking, the Master Craftsman feat is a better path (still takes two feats, but you get the full Crafts Arms and Armor instead of just applicability to one item).

Thanks


If you lack the required caster level for some effect you wish to add to an item, it raises the spellcraft DC used in adding the effect by 5. A 'level for the purpose of arcane bond' wouldn't apply - your actual highest spellcaster level would be used for that prereq. Horizon walker wouldn't help, nor would eldritch heritage.

So if you're a ranger 6 / horizon walker 3 with EH for an arcane bond and dimension door your only spellcaster level is as a ranger. Rangers have a caster level of their ranger level-3, so 6-3=3 in this case. If you want to turn your +1/+1 two bladed sword into a +1 flaming/+1 two bladed sword that wants CL 10, you don't have that and the DC increases by 5. The base DC is 5 + CL 10 = 15, it increases by 5 in this case to DC 20.

The level for the arcane bonded item via EH only affects whether you can use the item crafting feat at all. You can in this case as Derklord pointed out.

If you use master craftsman instead your caster level for making items = your ranks in the craft skill. Which is probably the same as your character level.


Invisible Barbrian Cleric wrote:
Ex: if you choose a familiar and want to make that familiar a earth elemental. you need a "5th arcane spell level" and be neutral alignment.
    "Arcane Spellcaster Level", to be precise. That's a special term for the Improved Familiar feat, it's only used for it and two prestige classes. The feat text was copy-pasted from 3.5, and thus not actually written by Paizo, by the way.
    The feat makes no mention of what constitutes "Arcane Spellcaster Level", but it seems to be combined levels in classes that grant or advance arcane spellcasting; neither Eldritch Heritage nor any SLA would help there.

Liberty's Edge

avr wrote:

If you lack the required caster level for some effect you wish to add to an item, it raises the spellcraft DC used in adding the effect by 5. A 'level for the purpose of arcane bond' wouldn't apply - your actual highest spellcaster level would be used for that prereq. Horizon walker wouldn't help, nor would eldritch heritage.

So if you're a ranger 6 / horizon walker 3 with EH for an arcane bond and dimension door your only spellcaster level is as a ranger. Rangers have a caster level of their ranger level-3, so 6-3=3 in this case. If you want to turn your +1/+1 two bladed sword into a +1 flaming/+1 two bladed sword that wants CL 10, you don't have that and the DC increases by 5. The base DC is 5 + CL 10 = 15, it increases by 5 in this case to DC 20.

The level for the arcane bonded item via EH only affects whether you can use the item crafting feat at all. You can in this case as Derklord pointed out.

If you use master craftsman instead your caster level for making items = your ranks in the craft skill. Which is probably the same as your character level.

FAQ wrote:

Crafting and Bypassing Requirements: What crafting requirements can you bypass by adding +5 to the DC of your Spellcraft check?

As presented on page 549 of the Core Rulebook, there are no limitations other than (1) you have to have the item creation feat, and (2) you cannot create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items without meeting their spell prerequisites. So racial requirements, specific spell requirements, math requirements (such as "caster level must be at least three times the enhancement bonus"), and so on, are all subject to the +5 DC rule.

As arv said, you can bypass almost all requirements. The only limitation is that you need to be a 5th level spellcaster to craft weapons. And it is better to have a spellcraft skill high enough to be able to meet the DC while taking 10.

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A wizard can add additional magic abilities to his bonded object as if he has the required item creation feats and if he meets the level prerequisites of the feat.

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