Rules Question / Bug? - Dinner at Lionlodge Pregen Jaithe - number of spells

[FairUnknown]

The second One-Shot, Dinner at Lionlodge has some pregens: https://paizo-images.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/image/download/PZOPF1002E+D inner+at+Lionlodge+Pregens.pdf

One of them, Jaithe, is an Aberrant Sorcerer. She's got 5 spells at spell level 1. No feats that add spells that I can see.

Anyone have any idea how? A normal sorcerer gets 4 spells, one of whic is fixed by their bloodline.

I'm particularly confused since the first one shot also had a sorcerer, and that one (Elsnir) has only the normal 4 spells: https://paizo-images.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/image/download/PZO1001E+Sun dered+Waves+Pregens.pdf

[Pirate Rob]

Paizo pregens frequently have errors and are not a good way to try and decipher the rules.

[syrath]

Signature Spells
You've learned to cast some of your spells more flexibly. For each spell level you have acceas to, choose one spell of that level to be a signature spell.

Ive only included the relevant wording here.

the key question here is "You've learned to cast some of your spells more flexibly". The wording isnt "choose one spell of that level that you know, to be a signature spell."

So is the signature spell in addition to those that you know. The wording isnt clear however RAW if I was a rules lawyer then at level 3 you would know 5.

[Jared Walter 356]

syrath wrote:

So is the signature spell in addition to those that you know. The wording isnt clear however RAW if I was a rules lawyer then at level 3 you would know 5.

Except it does not say to add it to your spells known, so you still have 4 spells known RAW. 3 plus your bloodline spell.

The pregen in question actually has too many spells for both 1st and 2nd level.

[syrath]

Jared Walter 356 wrote:

syrath wrote:

So is the signature spell in addition to those that you know. The wording isnt clear however RAW if I was a rules lawyer then at level 3 you would know 5.

Except it does not say to add it to your spells known, so you still have 4 spells known RAW. 3 plus your bloodline spell.

The pregen in question actually has too many spells for both 1st and 2nd level.

Im personally not a rules lawyer my own thought is that the person possibly read it that way , because the first sentence i quoted (which lost a sentence after it in a copy/paste issue is "You've learned to cast some of your spells more flexibly,

This could be argued to infer that the ability refers to "your spells", which is how I personally read it, but as a legal argument this sentence is completely separated from "For each spell level you have access to, choose one spell of that level to be a signature spell." the rest of the feat tells you what you can do with a signature spell but at no point does it specify that you need to learn it, legally there is some wiggle room to argue that you could choose a signature spell you dont know.

Please note that in no way am I saying that its correct in fact my own viewpoint is that it isnt (for example the iconic has 5 but has adaptive adept for the 5th spell , but lacks a 5th spell for level 2, Im just saying they may have assumed the rule works this way.

[Squiggit]

syrath wrote:

legally there is some wiggle room to argue that you could choose a signature spell you dont know.

You could possibly, but you can't cast spells you don't know and don't automatically know signature spells for free.

[syrath]

Squiggit wrote:

syrath wrote:

legally there is some wiggle room to argue that you could choose a signature spell you dont know.

You could possibly, but you can't cast spells you don't know and don't automatically know signature spells for free.

Further wording of the feat does allow you to cast it going under the specific trumps general rule

You don’t need to learn heightened versions of signature spells separately; instead, you can heighten these spells freely

So RAW as per the feat i dont need to learn heightened versions of signature spells , although following this logic it,you cant cast it at its base level, which is another clue that this is wrong. The wording does at least give the possibility that it could be read either way.

Im confident they mean you to choose from the learned spells list and that the pregen is wrong (and may be incorrect for reasons not related to the above, im onky taking a guess after all)

[Heather F]

Moved to Rules Discussion.