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Maybe they'll do a comic book series about Captain Carter...
The America! version of Captain Carter already exists in Marvel 616 thanks to the Exiles series from a few years back. The way the series ended, all the heroes recruited to the team ended up in 616 since their own worlds were destroyed.
Personally, since the original 616 Peggy Carter (who is an American lady from Virginia, but still badass and recently retconned to look more like Hayley Atwell, because if you could be retconned to look more like Hayley Atwell, wouldn't you be?) was also resurrected/brought to modern times because of Cosmic Cube shenanigans and has had a role in Ta-Nehisi Coates' run on the Captain American comics, what I would like to request is a Dryad/Captain Carter team up comic.
If we want to go crazy, we could also feature other, to use the recent Loki show's term, Variants of Peggy. Like basically A-Force, but all Peggy, all the time. "Carter Force" has a nice ring to it.
And in other DeathQuaker approved news: Director of first episode of What If is lobbying for a Captain Carter live action movie.
I am saying the following less to rain on your parade Joel and more to keep my own expectations in check: that headline and article does some remarkably clickbaity taking things out of context. As I understand it, somebody asked the director if he thought a live action Captain Carter was a good idea, and like anyone with half a brain would have replied, he said, "That would be amazing." Fan and fansites then, as fans and fansites tend to do, took this as "Makers of What If?! taking up arms to ensure immediate production of Captain Carter film." I have no belief or expectation at this time that anyone is even seriously pushing for a live action Captain Carter series, let alone preparing for its development. I will be absolutely delighted of course if I am wrong.
If they do a Captain Carter live action movie, it totally has to go Into the Spiderverse along with DQ idea of a Carter Force.
And yes, DQ, I do remember that Exiles volume.
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Mark, I'm glad they were consistent with how the serum worked (and indeed, Peggy seems to be even a little stronger than Steve, and this makes sense as she was a fit, healthy person going in--although perhaps what we are seeing is less increased strength but the benefit of her training with the SOE).
While I agree there would be a strength to leaving them to standalone movies, the vast majority of fan reactions I am reading are desiring linked stories. And I expect that is indeed the direction they are taking. I am okay with this especially if it leads to more Captain Carter :) even if I also think standalone stories would be nice (and in the spirit of the comics).
As for your spoiler, which I don't think is going to spoil anyone: I think that would have been cool, but the parallel seems to be slightly (definitely more Howard is to Steve as Tony is to Rhodey, after Rhodey was shot down. In this sense the Hydra Stomper is actually more the War Machine or, perhaps, the Iron Patriot. Although if or how Tony becomes Iron Man in this universe, if at all, may be as you suggest.
Well....What if is certainly going to have some connections over it's stories. There is at least one point in the promo video where we see Dr. Strange and Captain Carter together, so we haven't seen the last of Peggy just yet.
Wow! I feel a very different wow than the first episode, but this was stunning and fun. This was the best space heist I've ever seen.
I feel like I was supposed to recognize more people than I did and might have missed something.
Of course I teared up at the very end.
Poor Peter...
Freehold DM, this is the episode that has the character you wanted to see in it.
So I thought Thanos adopted Nebula around the same time he adopted Gamora.... so even if he reformed (supposedly, and yes my jaw dropped big time)...
Where is Gamora?
(Insert Tony and Drax reactions here)
This was by far, one of my favorite episodes. It's certainly a great What IF story.
This was by far, one of my favorite episodes. It's certainly a great What IF story.
Your favorite... out of two? I haven't missed an episode, have I? Or is it your favorite of any MCU TV episode?
Is anyone else though getting whiplash from how they're speedrunning these stories? Like, obviously I know WHY they're doing it; each ep has to condense hours of movie plot to like, 27 minutes or whatever. Still, I feel like there's whole chunks of character and narrative that just feel 2d because of the time dilation.
Yes, definitely. I also understand why they're doing it, but the end effect feels more like a trailer for a movie I'll never see.
Still, I never ever ever thought I'd see "What if...?" on screen, and yet here we are. The fact that this actually exists makes me love it. It's not my favorite Marvel TV effort, but it's amazing that it even exists.
Great episode. Very positive. A good addition to the legacy of Chadwick Bozeman.
I was surprised to learn that T'Challa was actually voiced by Boseman. I read that this was his last performance. It also opened my eyes to how far back they've been working on this show.
Andostre,
No you have not missed an episode. But with two done, it's my favorite of two, yes. Will there be another one I like more than this? Possibly.
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Interesting. So the "What If...?" question is really not the one in the title episode, but based on a choice and fate of a character who is never onscreen during this episode.
Really liked the final confrontation here.
Based on how it ended, it almost felt like the first of a two-parter, though I'm guessing next episode will still nonetheless be something new.
Voice acting was pretty good throughout. Understandably they couldn't get Johannsson; I felt like the actress sounded Natasha-like, even if not exactly like Scarlett. By which I mean it wasn't an aural double, but she sounded character-appropriate. Which sometimes works better.
So the Avengers in this world would become Captain Marvel and Captain America... and my guess is Sif, who would not want to follow Loki blindly. Who else--Rhodey? I think he had the Iron Patriot suit by this point. Coulson doesn't have the combat aptitude of Hawkeye or Natasha but could provide covert/spy backup. Alternatively, maybe Sharon Carter/Agent 13 gets pulled in as covert support, or we'd see Melinda May (less likely) or Mockingbird (more likely). Actually now that I think of it, Mockingbird and Agent Hunter as alternatives to Widow and Hawkeye would make huge sense. Not a bad lineup to start with, really.
Other interesting outcomes of this world...
This is before the Hydra uprising in SHIELD. Assuming the Avengers successfully drive back Loki such that Hydra would continue with their plan at all: Cap would still be around to help, and could still recruit Falcon, but without Nat--are they unsuccessful? Or does Sharon Carter finally get her proper front-and-center membership into the Cap Family and fill in her role without major shifts in events?
No Tony Stark means no Ultron at all. (Unless Hank perhaps escapes and creates him, which would be a very different, though more comics accurate, Ultron.) Assuming no Ultron, Maximoffs continue to work for Hydra. No Vision. But on the other hand, Sokovia remains intact, and THAT means no Sokovia Accords and no Baron Zemo seeking revenge on the Avengers. Nothing that we are aware of therefore breaks up the Avengers on this world. If there is a Pym-created Ultron, the outcomes and stakes are still likely quite different, and the Avengers cannot be blamed (especially since Pym's goal is to destroy the Avengers).
So on one hand, the Avengers in whatever form they take could be more prepared and united to confront Thanos. The Mind Stone would be in Hydra's possession, not in Vision, so this is a wild card. Strange might not leave Earth with the Time Stone. Suffice to say, Infinity War could go down very differently. Could they be more likely to win? 14+ million odds say no, but it's still interesting to think about.
If they lose--we have no Scott Lang as Ant-Man, ever (and obviously no Wasp). Janet likely remains trapped in the Quantum Realm. And with Pym in jail (and he is destined to be dusted), no Scott, no Hope, no Janet, means no Time Heist to reverse the snap. (Mind you, while I don't want to consign half the universe to death, I am one of those people who thinks too hard about the consequences of instantly returning everyone after five years and the chaos it would cause, so I don't think it necessarily means there wouldn't be positive things to come out of that universe, even if at a terrible cost.)
While I am under the spoiler tag, can I just say how nice it was to see Betty again? It was nice to see Betty again.
This was a great little murder mystery What If.
Interesting. So the "What If...?" question is really not the one in the title episode, but based on a choice and fate of a character who is never onscreen during this episode.
Really liked the final confrontation here.
Based on how it ended, it almost felt like the first of a two-parter, though I'm guessing next episode will still nonetheless be something new.
Voice acting was pretty good throughout. Understandably they couldn't get Johannsson; I felt like the actress sounded Natasha-like, even if not exactly like Scarlett. By which I mean it wasn't an aural double, but she sounded character-appropriate. Which sometimes works better.
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one small point
Presumably if Loki gets beat here he goes back to Asgard, unless they can convince the other Asgardians to turn against him and his "righteous" (snicker) quest to avenge Thor. But there is no certainty he runs into Thanos after that
That means No Mind Staff. so No Mind Stone. No Mind Stone no Hydra experiments on the Maximoffs (at least no successful ones).
Meanwhile Thanos would still have the Mind Stone, so when he starts in on Earth, he'll be the one with mind control powers.
Interesting points Greylurker. I misremembered when that item came into play.
Not arguing, just letting my mind wander along those lines... Would Thanos give the Stone to someone else, I wonder? Would he send someone else to lead the Chitauri invasion? Or does it all just not happen and it pans out as you say, and Thanos himself subjugates Earth? What if he say, gave it to Ronan in the quest for the Power Stone instead?
I believe the Maximoffs join Hydra regardless, and WandaVision makes clear that Wanda already had powers that the Mind Stone simply awakened/enhanced, so I wonder if they would do other things to her that cause her powers to manifest? She wouldn't be as powerful, but it could spawn an interesting, alternate version of the Scarlet Witch.
Wow! I feel a very different wow than the first episode, but this was stunning and fun. This was the best space heist I've ever seen.
I feel like I was supposed to recognize more people than I did and might have missed something.
Of course I teared up at the very end.
Poor Peter...
Freehold DM, this is the episode that has the character you wanted to see in it.
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Well now I have to watch.
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Okay I watched that on DQs suggestion and I loved every minute of it. The opening fight was perfect.
Yeah the truck fight was great.
A-zombie,
Same. Probably why I enjoyed reading What If as a kid and as adult.
So this was the first one I felt let down by.
I also really don't understand how her death was fixed in time since obviously... it wasn't and that never happened in our main timeline at all? The Ancient One could have shown up and said "You can't change this Stephen because of Plot and Reasons and we need a story for this episode" and it would have made more sense.
I also just really don't like Dr. Strange so this could be filtering my view of the story (and the story certainly didn't do anything to make him grow on me, especially since the reason I don't like Dr. Strange is he is so arrogant and the story is just about his arrogance going out of control).
I guess the main takeaway is that Strange is willing to do reckless and universe-breaking things with magic, to prep us for Spider-Man 10 and Dr. Strange 2. I'm not sure I needed a whole What If episode to set that up; it already seemed pretty obvious.
I was disappointed with the theme of taking power that we didn't see Agatha Harkness. But I wonder if what Strange was doing in this story connects back to her actions in WandaVision--she seemed to be collecting power from other magic users. Was her goal also ultimately to be able to gather enough power to change the past? (Perhaps to undo her killing her mother and starting that whole cycle?)
If anyone liked the story this is not to piss on your parade; I'm curious to know what folks liked about it.
I mostly liked Uatu being a more central character. Also while Strange is indeed arrogant, he's far from the only one, DQ.
Also I thought we saw Shummy again.
Never said he was the only one.
I have a feeling the Watcher's role will increase as episodes continue.
DQ,
True. My bad on that one. But yeah I hope that's the case. We got...what 5 more episodes to go?
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Damn! And I thought the previous week’s episode was dark. Of course, I enjoyed it immensely. The fight between the two Stephens was cool as s+!!. I only wish they’d have put some bigger names into the group evil Stephen consumed. Although, I think tentacle boy might have been Shuma Gorath.
Given the number of times earth has destroyed the universe WHY hasn't the entire galaxy just nuked earth from orbit?
:)
Wolf,
Trust me, I'm sure the Kree and the Skrulls ask that question a lot..
A-zombie,
I agree that the return of the tentacles hints towards the Great Old One, Shuma-Gorath.
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Given the number of times earth has destroyed the universe WHY hasn't the entire galaxy just nuked earth from orbit?
:)
Well, they did get angry enough to turn Earth into a prison in the Maximum Security storyline. Let's also not forget the Secret invasion, though that was based on prophecy.
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Given the number of times earth has destroyed the universe WHY hasn't the entire galaxy just nuked earth from orbit?
:)
Oh man there was a one off story in X-men, back when the team was hiding in Australia. Group of Aliens comes across the planet and decides to invade. Head alien tells one of his flunkies to access to database and find out about the planet while they attack.
Flunky starts going over a list
-Has repelled, Kree, Skrull and Shi'ar empires
-only known planet to repel Galactus
-current home to the Phoenix force.
-Do not antagonize this world for any reason
and sure enough the Guys on the X-men repel the entire invasion while on a bar run.
Yeah, antagonizing Earth means we tend to send the X-men out after you. Thor sometimes takes it personally too if he's not busy. They should be happy we don't send the Avengers out as much as they're busy avenging. But them X-men are sometimes really proactive.
The Watcher will likely get more involved, and that cheeses me off as a reader of classic Marvel up through the very early 200's. Maybe in the past 20 years Uatu has become some intervening force in the comics, but in the 20 years I was a fan of the comics the whole point was that he's, well... The Watcher.
Uatu intervened a LOT in issues of FF throughout the 60's, 70's and 80's. He intervened for stuff like making sure the FF got all the person items they thought had been destroyed in the explosion of the Baxter building. Issues 35-39 of What If..." was a multipart story completely about Uatu intervening on behalf of the entire Multiverse.
Instead we get these like, condensed tomato soup versions of the MCU, following the MCU formula
What If...? the comic gave is condensed tomato soup versions of the Marvel Comics Universe - typically following the comics formula. Why should the show be any different?
The condensed part is particularly what I'm questioning - are you talking about how quickly it advances plot or summarizes events we are semi familiar with? If so - that's also totally a feature of the comic. For example the time it summarized the entirety of the "Born Again" Daredevil arc into three panels.
I'm okay with some level of condensed soup. Mostly because I like Campbells. (And easy to follow ideas)
Also Uatu can only watch so much before he's not really watching but just sitting on the side lines. Which doesn't work in the history of the Watchers.
Joel,
Pretty sure there was some kind of fae he ate. Otherwise, no clue. (But yeah I think that was Shummy he summoned the first time.)
That poor Gnome
Grey,
I thought it was leprechaun myself...
I was wondering if anyone knew what all the summoned and absorbed creatures were? I know the tentacles were Shuma Gorath, but if the others were any specific creatures from Marvel lore, it was too obscure for me to identify.
I checked some of the "Easter Egg"-finding YouTubers as they tend to obsessively do that kind of analysis (taking with a grain of salt that sometimes their analysis is overly speculative or hyperbolic). New Rockstars pauses to describe each one so you can look to see if you recognize any. Most of the creatures just seem random/generic mythical monsters, but one of the most interesting bits he pointed out was that there is a moment during Supreme Strange's transformations that he resembles Dormammu, suggesting that at some point he "consumed" Dormammu--but that may be what Dormammu wanted. New Rockstars doesn't point this out but given the MCU seems to consistently depict Darkforce as goopy transdimensional black stuff, it seems to me like Supreme Strange's universe was ultimately consumed by the Dark Dimension.
Most of the creatures seemed meaningless to me, but I don't pay much attention to the mystical/magical side of Marvel comics; the big wolf I thought, however, was Fenrir (the wolf we saw in Thor: Ragnarok).
DQ,
Fenris?? Really? I thought that was some other wolf..
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Anyway, point is the main things I knew of The Watcher was from the Marvel Universe comics or occasional asides in X-Men. He was always depicted there as a being that ONLY watches, never interferes.
I can see where reading the books where Uatu appeared the least may have given you a different perspective on the character - but in fact in both the books he appeared the most (Fantastic Four and What If…?) he interfered somewhat regularly
Anyway, when Team Feige announced What If episodes, I hoped they'd be what I said: 1 hour mini-movies. Here's Iron Man, but What If Howard Stark had gotten blown up in World War II or something.
Why would you have hoped for that when they were announced as half hour animated episodes?
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I was wondering if anyone knew what all the summoned and absorbed creatures were? I know the tentacles were Shuma Gorath, but if the others were any specific creatures from Marvel lore, it was too obscure for me to identify.
I assume that the one with the cape was Enitharmon (?) the Weaver, the being that in the comics created the original cloak of levitation (and was called upon later to repair it when it got damaged).
They did seem to lean towards suggesting various mythic entities like big shadowy wolves or elemental entities birds without actually pulling the plug and showing any real world mythological entities that might come from specific cultures religious beliefs like 'this is Fenris!' or 'now he kills Buddha!'
As for the episode itself, this world's version of Christine still seemed in love with Stephen, and he with her, as the MCU world's version of Christine hated going to those conferences with him because they were 'all about him.' It was another universe, after all. So I wasn't too put off by his powerful reaction to her loss, although coming on the heels of last week, with Pym reacting to Hope's death, it was a bit tired and manpain trope-y.
Still, I liked the library of Cagliostro setpiece and character of O'Beng (sp?), and wonder if those elements might appear in live-action, like in Multiverse of Madness? (They *generally* have been recycling elements and characters from the MCU, not adding new ones...)
I saw a suggestion that the last episode might involve a threat to not just a single universe within the multiverse, but to many universes, or even perhaps the entire multiverse, and the Watcher breaking his vow and assembling a team of multiversal Avengers from each of these episodes, to save all of reality. Dark Dr. Strange, Captain Carter, Star-Panther, etc. That could be funky.
DQ,
Fenris?? Really? I thought that was some other wolf..
Given the Norse-myth-inspired setting, what other giant badass wolf would it have been? (I am talking about in Thor: Ragnarok, not the recent episode of What If?!; for the latter that was only a guess.)
This is not a sarcastic question, it just didn't even occur to me that it could have been any wolf other than Fenrir, but I don't know the Asgard-Marvelverse very well (and only know the basics of Norse Mythology) and am happy to be corrected if it was a different creature.
DQ,
No I mean it could have been Garm. (He's a Norse Wolf!) Plus in the comics Fenris had like tons of half kids with mortals. (That's where Rahne's son comes in)
As for Set's idea, I mean if we were to follow the strand further, there is a Kang that absorbed the powers of Galactus and basically ATE timelines.
DQ,
No I mean it could have been Garm. (He's a Norse Wolf!) Plus in the comics Fenris had like tons of half kids with mortals. (That's where Rahne's son comes in)
As for Set's idea, I mean if we were to follow the strand further, there is a Kang that absorbed the powers of Galactus and basically ATE timelines.
Loki had oodles of kids as well. He is Slepnir's mom/dad.
Philip,
Yes I am aware...
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DQ,
Fenris?? Really? I thought that was some other wolf..
Woof. don't worry i'm fine.
Wolf,
Nicely done.
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"Well that was dark"
Next episode - "Hold my Beer"