If I use ally's Consumable Items, can I pay him ?

[陳國光CHEN]

Normally, players can not give or receive money from each other.

If I use ally's Consumable Items, can I pay him ?

[O-03-03 晓慕思姬]

If it is a magic wand (CLW), this kind of charging item, how should it be counted?

[Nefreet]

You just use them.

[O-03-03 晓慕思姬]

Nefreet wrote:

You just use them.

So, if I use my teammate’s items, can I buy the same one and return it to him after completing the task?

[Nefreet]

No exchange of money or items persists after the Adventure.

• You can drink someone else's potion
• Someone else can zap your wand
• You can toss someone else's bomb
• Etc

But anything you purchase is yours after the Adventure is over.

[Online Guide Team Lead - JTT]

For PFS1:

You can reimburse people for used consumables by purchasing an identical consumable afterwards. But it has to be an *identical* consumable. (So you can't reimburse someone for a single charge off a partially used wand, for example.)

For PFS2:

There is currently no ruling that would allow this, however the group can pool funds to buy an item at the start of the adventure. If the item is not used by the end of the adventure, one member of the group may reimburse the others, and keep the item, or else the group must sell it and each member of the group gets back 50% of what they put in.

[pauljathome]

It wasn't technically legal, but back in PF1 days local groups often used "virtual" CLW wand charges. The healer would be handed several CLW wands and, if they were used in battle, the charge would be taken off the appropriate players sheet.

A simple solution that kept everybody happy, albeit technically illegal.

[陳國光CHEN]

RAW, in Adventures, I can borrow ally's consumables but I can't take it out of the Adventure. If I use it, I can not pay for it.

After Adventures, there is no item or money exchange, right?

[Nefreet]

Earlier, I wrote:

No exchange of money or items persists after the Adventure.

[roll4initiative]

dictionary wrote:

bor·row

verb
take and use (something that belongs to someone else) with the intention of returning it.

Your PC can borrow it. If your PC uses it, it is spent/gone. If your PC doesn't use it, it gets returned to the PC you borrowed it from at the end of the adventure.

[Belafon]

陳國光CHEN wrote:

RAW, in Adventures, I can borrow ally's consumables but I can't take it out of the Adventure. If I use it, I can not pay for it.

After Adventures, there is no item or money exchange, right?

Yes, you are correct.

At the start of an adventure Belafon hands a wand of cure light wounds to Chen and tells him to use the wand whenever he wants to. At the end of the scenario, Chen must give the same wand back to Belafon. Any charges spent are gone. Chen can not give Belafon money (or a new wand, or anything else) as payback at the end of the scenario.

[Nefreet]

Although it sounds like Jared is saying that, assuming you burned through all 50 charges, you could buy a new wand as reimbursement.

Not an uncommon practice at high levels. I think during one of the high level trilogies we sucked down multiple CLW wands like they were Big Gulps.

[Online Guide Team Lead - JTT]

As I wrote above, if this is for PFS 1, you can reimburse others for used consumables, but only by giving them a replacement for that consumable.

For example, to get into the fortress and unlock the door for the rest of the party, PC A (the only one with disable device) needs to go invisible.

PC B has a potion of invisibility.

PC B gives PC A the potion of invisibility. PC A drinks it.

At the end of the scenario, PC A buys a replacement potion of invisibility and gives it to PC B.

This is the *only* sort of reimbursement that is legal in PFS1, and it is only legal in PFS 1.

[Belafon]

Are you sure about that Jared?

I just perused Guide 10.0 again, and I can't find anything about reimbursing for consumables at the end of an adventure. Can you point me in the right direction?

There were at least two major discussion threads about this very issue. While a decent number of people were in favor of it, I believe each time the concerns about people gaming the system outweighed the potential benefits.

Spoiler:

And of course the people who say "I know it is against the rules but I think it should be allowed so I'm going to do it anyway." When a local area has enough of them, it can become (incorrect) common knowledge.

[Jared Thaler - Personal Opinion]

I will go see if I can find the post tomorrow.

[roll4initiative]

Yeah. Reimbursing for items wasn't allowed when I started playing in 2010 and was never allowed since then. Well, that was what many VCs have told us here in my neck of the woods in the past.

[Belafon]

Jared Thaler - Personal Opinion wrote:

I will go see if I can find the post tomorrow.

Here are the two threads I remember: 2014 and 2016.

The 2016 thread ended with Tonya saying

Tonya Woldridge wrote:

Thank you to everyone who has weighed in on the issue. The team and I have read through the thread and are weighing our options. Any change to this issue will appear in the Season 8 Roleplaying Guild Guide.

[Online Guide Team Lead - JTT]

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tn2c&page=9?Sharing-consumables#432

I could have *sworn* that following this post, we drafted a rule allowing some variation on this.

However, it would appear that rule did not make it into the guide.

Unfortunately, it is unlikely that the PFS1 guide will be reopened. So unless someone can find that rule somewhere, ignore everything I said above.

[andreww]

This is actually in the 1e Season 10 Guide at page 20. It isnt a carte blanche to pay for any consumable though.

Quote:

In Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild play, you can never buy, sell, or trade items with another player, but you may allow another player to borrow an item for the duration of an adventure. Characters may also expend consumables on behalf of their party members. Players are permitted

to spend character gold to help a party member purchase spellcasting services such as raise dead or remove disease. This includes pooling money to buy breath of life or raise dead scrolls or potions for use in the game.

If the PCs buy an item using pooled money that they do not use during the adventure, one PC may purchase the item at the end of the adventure, paying the item’s full cost. If no PC wants to purchase the item, the PCs must sell the item back for half value, reimbursing each PC for half of what she paid into the pool.

[Belafon]

So here’s the summary:

1. You may give another PC expendable items you own at any time during the scenario. If they use them (or use charges from a wand) they are gone. The PC may not reimburse you for the cost.

2. At any time during the adventure, PCs may pool their money to buy an item. If it is expended during the adventure, it is gone. If it is not expended by the end of the adventure and no one wants to pay full price themselves, it is sold back and each PC receives half the money they put into the pool.

3. At any time - including at the end of an adventure - PCs may pool money to buy spellcasting services.