# Void Kineticists and “Elemental Whispers”

### Rules Discussion

Exactly the kind of question it sounds like. Since Wysps and Elementals are normally only of the Aether, Air, Earth, Fire, and Water Elements, are you unable to use the “Elemental Whispers” and “Elemental Whispers, Greater” Utility Wild Talent, as aVoid of Wood Kineticist? Or do you simply gain a Unique Wysp/Elemental?

short answer: Void wysps/elementals don't exist, you can't get one.

This isn't a Society specific question, but elemental whisper's greater says:
"You gain your choice of a wysp or Small elemental of your primary element as an improved familiar, without needing to meet any of the usual prerequisites for gaining such a familiar."

No, you won't gain a "unique wysp/elemental" because there are no legal rules for such. You can't gain a small void elemental because void elementals do not exist in the rules.
Based on the wording though, you -can- gain your choice of a wysp. Void wysps do not exist, so you have to pick one of the existing wysps and thus your wysp won't resonate with you. If/When you gain expanded element at level 7, you could pick the second element to match your wysp's element, and that would likely give you the benefits of the resonance and so on.

Also do note that Aether elementals are not a legal creature in Society, so its just the 4 main elements.

It's stuff like this that makes me wish that mathematics was a more formal language, because the way I read the wording it seems to be "You gain your choice of (Wysp or Small Elemental) of your primary element..." as opposed to "You gain your choice of (Wysp) or (Small Elemental of your primary element)..."

Mathematics would just make everything more easily understood.

(NB-I'm not saying that Tomppa's interpretation is wrong, just saying that if things were spelled out mathematically there would be less confusion. English is a clunky language made out of German and Latin that got beaten together to make some sort of bastardized version of neither.)

You must not be from America. Over here, math is a foreign language requiring a collegiate education.

See: Symbolic Logic

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Nefreet wrote:

You must not be from America. Over here, math is a foreign language requiring a collegiate education.

See: Symbolic Logic

Born in New York, raised in New Jersey, and now live in North Carolina... though I did study Mathematics in college, so....

Same. Except for the first 75% of that statement.

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens Subscriber

"d study Mathematics in college, so...."

or

" Mathematics in colege, so...." (rounded up)

;)

Keirine, Human Rogue wrote:

It's stuff like this that makes me wish that mathematics was a more formal language, because the way I read the wording it seems to be "You gain your choice of (Wysp or Small Elemental) of your primary element..." as opposed to "You gain your choice of (Wysp) or (Small Elemental of your primary element)..."

Mathematics would just make everything more easily understood.

(Wysp or Small Elemental) of your primary element =
(Wysp of your primary element) or (Small Elemental of your primary element)

:)

Spoiler:
Reducing a real-world (or RPG) problem to mathematical equations is always tricky. You often get different answers from equally valid ways of setting up the equation based on the information given. Especially in the field of probability. Like, say, a dice-based game.

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English is a clunky language made out of German and Latin that got beaten together to make some sort of bastardized version of neither.)

English doesn’t borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.