Hey,
I read a few post over time that in some base sets cards were missing...
I did not count anything I bought yet from paizo. Is this really necessary?
Do you just have to count the base sets? Adventure packs and Class Decks as well?
What are sensible products where card counting is advised? Is there some rule of thumb?
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There's really no rule of thumb, it just comes down to how much do you care that maybe one card is missing or something similar. 99 times out of 100 I'd guess you aren't going to find any discrepancy. If I had to pick one product I'd suggest you check, it'd probably be the S&S base set just because of the print issues around that time (although it's probably added to by the fact that I found one card missing from mine when building the demo).
I've never counted mine to make sure everything is there, and it hasn't hurt my enjoyment of the game in even a miniscule amount.
If you're going to count anything, you might as well count it all. If you care about missing cards, it wouldn't really make sense to only care about certain cards missing.
What it comes down to is this -- Are you concerned you might be missing cards? Is that concern affecting your enjoyment of the game? Check. Did you answer either or both of those "No"? Then it's probably not worth the time for you to look
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If you let Ranzak in the box, forget about counting... There will be some missing boons.
Between the printing error in my S&S AD6 and the people posting on here about missing cards in new boxes I ended up going through the whole set to verify I had everything. I'd only merged in up to AD2 so there wasn't too much to separate. That's just me being overly cautious, though.
(Results: everything else was fine, and Paizo Customer Service replaced my ten misprinted cards. Yay!)
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Until there were some posts about missing cards and such, I never counted/checked my cards against lists. (During RotR) Then I got a bit paranoid and started checking as I got new product. I have never had any missing cards from any Paizo product. However, I have had some misprinted (ink layer issues) and a few miscut. But the best thing about Paizo products is their customer support. You're missing a card? They'll send it to you. Your product is damaged? They'll send you a replacement.
So do you have to check your cards? I'd actually say yes ... and not with just Paizo products but EVERY SINGLE GAME BY ANY COMPANY WITH MULTIPLE PIECES. I'm not going to single out Paizo but I've had missing cards and game pieces from other companies. So the best thing to do for any game is to verify that you have everything you're supposed to have.
What are sensible products where card counting is advised? Is there some rule of thumb?
Every single game that has cards, bits, punch-outs, dice, etc. Don't ever assume that everything is in the box. If the company provides a list of pieces, check it out when you unbox the game. If there's a card list or dice list online, use it to verify you got your cards/dice. (But be careful because not every user-created list is correct!)
This is not a Paizo thing, Myfly, but an industry thing.
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Exactly.
If you've ever purchased a burger from Double Deckker (one of the Legendary Big M, for example), then the likelihood that you've been missing some ingredients is strong.
I count every expansion and class deck I get to make sure it's 110 cards. I don't check it against the deck list, however. I've yet to find anything missing.
I checked my S&S base set against the deck list and found I was missing a blessing. I neglected to do the same thing for Wrath, but so far I haven't noticed anything missing.
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I count every expansion and class deck I get to make sure it's 110 cards. I don't check it against the deck list, however. I've yet to find anything missing.
I checked my S&S base set against the deck list and found I was missing a blessing. I neglected to do the same thing for Wrath, but so far I haven't noticed anything missing.
My WotR AD1 had an extra of one card and was missing one of the Loot cards so I'm glad I checked against the list.
Its really easy if you do it right when you open the deck because everything is usually in order of the printed list so you can check really quick (takes about 10 minutes for me to check an AD vs the list).
I count every expansion and class deck I get to make sure it's 110 cards. I don't check it against the deck list, however. I've yet to find anything missing.
I checked my S&S base set against the deck list and found I was missing a blessing. I neglected to do the same thing for Wrath, but so far I haven't noticed anything missing.
My WotR AD1 had an extra of one card and was missing one of the Loot cards so I'm glad I checked against the list.
Its really easy if you do it right when you open the deck because everything is usually in order of the printed list so you can check really quick (takes about 10 minutes for me to check an AD vs the list).
Ok. Then to orrow, i will start checking RotR, SS and WotR plus all Class Deck... Uffff :-(
Yea it's not so bad if you do it from the beginning.
This far into the product's life? Yeeeaaaaa you have fun with that MyFly lol.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, .... Oooh so many cards... Cant you use a money (bill paper) counting machine for counting cards?
Can't open a zip file on the tablet - are there supposed to be only 4 blessings in sword of valor?
870, 871, 873, .... Still counting ... Oooh maaan.... :-)
If I were to discover in a year or two that I was missing a card (say a loot card, or one that 'mattered' in some significant way) - is there the ability to print out any specific card that I'm missing through drivethrurpg?
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If you believe it was always missing, you can contact CS.
If you lost it, you could "recreate" it using DriveThru's card builder if it's one of the supported types... just don't make it public. (It'll have the Community Card stuff in place, of course, but at least it'll do the job.)
... Stopped counting... Will continue tomorrow... This will last a few days ...
Here's my theory: I just play the game.
If I need to find a specific card (so generally just story cards: loot, villain, henchman, location, scenario) and can't - and this hasn't happened yet - then I'd get a bit more paranoid about checking and/or look up stats or similar, to cope.
Too many cards to worry about counting when I could just play and not worry if I'm missing a spell or weapon or whatever.
If you believe it was always missing, you can contact CS.
If you lost it, you could "recreate" it using DriveThru's card builder if it's one of the supported types... just don't make it public. (It'll have the Community Card stuff in place, of course, but at least it'll do the job.)
Thanks, Vic. I just wondered if the possibility existed to print out any card from the game.
Sometimes it's not worth the trouble contacting CS (or more accurately, sometimes I don't think you should wear the cost for a scrunched book or something, even though I know you're going to. I'd feel similar about one missing card out of a whole set).
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Thanks, Vic. I just wondered if the possibility existed to print out any card from the game.
Sometimes it's not worth the trouble contacting CS (or more accurately, sometimes I don't think you should wear the cost for a scrunched book or something, even though I know you're going to. I'd feel similar about one missing card out of a whole set).
There are a couple reasons why the "I don't want to bother them" approach is not the best one.
1) You've paid for a full set of cards. If you're missing any, even one, you're being shorted.
2) If you don't tell Customer Service that there's a problem, they don't know about it. Usually part of Customer Service is the review of issues, especially with products, in order to make sure the issue doesn't occur in the future. Even if you don't want a replacement, you should let them know there was a problem with a product. It helps with Quality Assurance.
I have different standards than paizo though. Sometimes they think I'm entitled to a replacement when I don't (my experience is more books than cards, but I dare say the same would hold).
Also, it's not really "I don't want to bother them" so much as "I can't be bothered" - apathy, not empathy.
Here's my theory: I just play the game.
If I need to find a specific card (so generally just story cards: loot, villain, henchman, location, scenario) and can't - and this hasn't happened yet - then I'd get a bit more paranoid about checking and/or look up stats or similar, to cope.
Too many cards to worry about counting when I could just play and not worry if I'm missing a spell or weapon or whatever.
That has generally been my attitude as well. On two occasions I thought I was missing a card. Both times, I found the card accidentally in the wrong slot in the insert.
However, when I've got nothing to do and nowhere to go, I've on occasion checked against the list. And so far I've found nothing missing.
RotR count complete, all cards are there, even more cards than Are listed. One misprinted card. Paizos card list needs to be adjusted, there are still a few errors :( details in the other thread:
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sh0e?Idea-for-Improvement-on-Card-List-Checkin g
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Sometimes it's not worth the trouble contacting CS (or more accurately, sometimes I don't think you should wear the cost for a scrunched book or something, even though I know you're going to. I'd feel similar about one missing card out of a whole set).
Don't worry about that *at all*. CS has already opened a bunch of damaged-box copies of card game products so they can pull individual replacement cards for whatever reason, and since we can put your replacement card in your sidecart so it goes into the next sub shipment, there's not even a postage cost. It costs us nothing but a few minutes of effort.
That's a good point - I'm more used to thinking about dinged books than missing cards.
Here's my theory: I just play the game.
If I need to find a specific card (so generally just story cards: loot, villain, henchman, location, scenario) and can't - and this hasn't happened yet - then I'd get a bit more paranoid about checking and/or look up stats or similar, to cope.
Too many cards to worry about counting when I could just play and not worry if I'm missing a spell or weapon or whatever.
That was my attitude until my Rogue Class Deck was missing most of the lower level items, making Merisiel basically unplayable. After that I decided to count all of my cards when sleeving and adding to the box going forward, just in case. I have not found any more missing cards yet (though I haven't played past AD1 of S&S or past the B scenarios of WotR, so I've got a lot of uncounted decks laying around).
I would recommend ALWAYS counting Class Decks, since you could severely handicap your OP character if you don't realize your missing characters. Counting base sets, add-on decks & adventure decks, eh... probably not necessary. Of course if you are getting ready to play and realize that you don't have the villain or location that you need for the next scenario, you're night of finding paths is likely shot and you'll wish you had counted them earlier.
There isn't an app for this, but I suspect there could be...
It wouldn't be incredibly difficult to do a normalized correlation or pattern match with the digital master copies of each card versus a camera phone image.
In laymans terms take a picture of all your cards and an app could tell you if you had cards that matched all the ones in the master set.
Don't mind me though just theory-crafting computer vision applications. Could be a nifty thing though.
Counting SS,
There is one card missing. It is the Barrier "Hull damage" from AD1. It is the last card of first deck or first card of second deck of AD1.
Everything else except AD4 with the Make Good Pack is ok.
Regarding RotR,
One card misprinted, but all cards complete.
So counting and checking all cards is not a bad thing to do.
There is a rule of thumb for checking:
The cards between the two 55 card packs are often missing.
So the card where the first deck ends or the second begins!!
This is my advise.