Venture-Lieutenant, Finland—Turku
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Access:
Character Options
"Characters from the Broken Lands have access to the Aldori dueling sword (page 28)."
So your home region needs to be the Broken Lands.
Proficiency:
You need to be proficient in Aldori Dueling sword to be able to select the Aldori Duelist archetype. You can achieve this by picking the Weapon Proficiency feat (since Swashbucklers are proficient with martial weapons, you can use this to gain access to an Advanced weapon).
Aldori Duelist Archetype then gives you a scaling proficiency.
Alternatively:
As per the Organized Play Guide - player basics
"Access: Players can access uncommon or rare options via access points built into the campaign. If you satisfy the access condition specified in that option, then that option is common for you."
You can use the Tengu Weapon Familiarity ancestry feat:
You've trained with a blade and other tengu weapons ever since you hatched. You gain access to khakkaras. Additionally, choose two weapons from the sword group. You can choose from among all common martial swords, plus the katana, temple sword, and wakizashi. For the purpose of determining your proficiency, that weapon is a simple weapon, and if the weapon isn't common, you gain access to it. If you are trained in all martial weapons, you add common advanced swords to the swords you can choose from.
Aldori Dueling Swords are normally uncommon advanced martial weapons, but since you have access to them, they are common for you instead. This allows you to choose them with Tengu Weapon Familiarity.
The feat says that the chosen weapon(s) are considered simple weapons for you, which would give you a scaling proficiency directly without the need for the Aldori Duelist Archetype, but the intent is unclear because that would make the Tengu Weapon Expertise redundant. (lvl 13 feat that gives you scaling proficiency for all weapons chosen with the familiarity feat)However, the tengu weapon expertise feat seems redundant regardless, given how the tengu weapon familiarity is worded, so... The interaction isn't exactly 100% clear.
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Someone pointed out on discord that Advance Tengu Weapons which are not swords would need the Tengu Weapon Expertise to advance. So it’s a very small set of weapons and a very situational feat, but that’s not unusual for 2E.
EDIT: Ok, there don’t appear to be any weapons that fall into that category currently. So it’s a very small set of weapons. So... future proofing?
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You've generalized way too much. What feat(s) you need and when you can take it vary by class, ancestry, and feats taken.
Tengu Weapon Familiarity is a 1st level Tengu ancestry feat.
Tengu Weapon Expertise is a 13th level Tengu ancestry feat.
Unconventional Weaponry is a 1st level Human ancestry feat.
Weapon Proficiency is a 1st level general feat.
Aldori Duelist is a 2nd level archetype dedication feat.
Tengu, not-a-wizard needs one 1st level ancestry feat.
Temgu wizard needs (one of):
- one 1st level (T.W.F.) and one 13th level ancestry feat (T.W.E.)
- one 1st level ancestry feat (T.W.F.) and one 1st level general feat (W.P.)
Any other with a class that has martial weapon proficiency needs (one of):
- one 1st level ancestry feat (U.W.)
- one 1st level general feat (W.P.) and one 2nd level dedication feat (A.D.)
- one 1st level general feat (adopted ancestry: tengu) and one 1st level ancestry feat (T.W.F.)
Any other with only simple weapon proficiency needs (one of):
- one 1st level general feat (adopted ancestry: tengu) and one 1st level ancestry feat (T.W.F.)
- two 1st level general feats (W.P. x 2) and one 2nd level dedication feat
Any other wizard needs (one of):
- two 1st level general feats (W.P. and adopted ancestry: tengu) and one 1st level ancestry feat (T.W.F.)
- one 1st level general feat (adopted ancestry: tengu) and one 2nd level archetype dedication feat (A.D.)
- three 1st level general feats (W.P. x 3) and one 2nd level archetype dedication feat
And that just includes ancestry, class, and fest features I can remember.
When you can take those feats varies a lot by you ancestry, class, and build choices.
EDIT: See? I forgot the most obvious one. Any fighter can take one 2nd level archetype dedication feat.
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Tengu even in PF1 were just plain better at swords than anyone else. Having one uncommon sword autoscale is actually a substantial decrease in Tengu's sword proficiency.
The flip side of "no other race can get this as easily as tengu" is "tengu have the easiest time getting (this one narrow thing)."
If you insist that all races be equally good at opening up access to everything, it makes it extremely difficult to differentiate race and have things that they are good at.
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Yes, me saying that it "kinda stinks" that other ancestries need to spend a general feat and class feat to get what tengu and humans get with an ancestry feat is me "insisting" that all ancestries be the same. Yes, that's what that is.
No, it is just you insisting that Tengu and humans should not get an advantage over anyone else in that area.
Which is kind of saying that no ancestry should get to be better than any other in that area.
And what I am pointing out is that other people feel that way about *other* areas.
And that at some point, if you try to please everybody, then no race will be able to be better at anything.
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Note that a level 3 general feat can be used to get a level 1 ancestry feat, so Ancestry Feat vs General feat is kind of a wash.
So really what you are complaining about is that they get to save a class feat.
Plenty of ancestries get similarly powerful options.
Elf can take a level 2 multiclass dedication for free.
Dwarves gain a bunch of stuff that is approximately as strong as a class feat, or they can gain 2 skill feats.
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Note that a level 3 general feat can be used to get a level 1 ancestry feat, so Ancestry Feat vs General feat is kind of a wash.
I don't think that's how Adopted Ancestry works (I wish it did, so if I'm wrong, I'd love to be corrected).
All it appears to do is grant you access to a select type of ancestry feats of a different ancestry than your own. So an elf paladin takes Adopted Ancestry (human) at level 3 as a General feat so that he can take Unconventional Weaponry as an Ancestry feat when he next gets an Ancestry feat at level 5.
I had to rebuild my -2001 during GenCon because I had taken Adopted Ancestry (elf) at level 1 as a Human (versatile) and taken Elf Lore for the extra skills and it was pointed out that the text is "you can select" not "you select."
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Note that a level 3 general feat can be used to get a level 1 ancestry feat, so Ancestry Feat vs General feat is kind of a wash.I don't think that's how Adopted Ancestry works (I wish it did, so if I'm wrong, I'd love to be corrected).
All it appears to do is grant you access to a select type of ancestry feats of a different ancestry than your own. So an elf paladin takes Adopted Ancestry (human) at level 3 as a General feat so that he can take Unconventional Weaponry as an Ancestry feat when he next gets an Ancestry feat at level 5.
I had to rebuild my -2001 during GenCon because I had taken Adopted Ancestry (elf) at level 1 as a Human (versatile) and taken Elf Lore for the extra skills and it was pointed out that the text is "you can select" not "you select."
Ok, this reading is interesting. I don't read it the way you are. And I don't see much mechanical difference between "you can select" and "you select".
I believe that if a character takes Adopted Ancestry that they have to select an Ancestry feat right away and not hold onto selecting the feat for two levels. For what it is worth, I am pretty Herolab requires the selection of an Ancestry Feat. But that is Herolab and they are not the official source for rules.
This might be a question for the FAQ team.
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Yes, me saying that it "kinda stinks" that other ancestries need to spend a general feat and class feat to get what tengu and humans get with an ancestry feat is me "insisting" that all ancestries be the same. Yes, that's what that is.
I wish, as an elf, I had the robust body that I could shake off a potential killing blow like an Orc or Half-Orc. But I am not that Ancestry so I all I can continue to do wish it was so.
Ancestry's have pros and cons to selecting them. I like that.
The choice aspect of 2e is what make the game so fun.
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Adopted Ancestry normally only gives you access to take ancestry feats from another ancestry. The Halfling Cultural Adaptability Feat specifically gives you Adopted Ancestry AND a 1st level feat from that Ancestry.
However, I think Jared’s point was about Ancestral Paragon, which is a 3rd level General Feat that grants a 1st level Ancestry Feat and sets up a rough equivalency between the value of the two.
Personally, I think that too many things in 2E get pushed to late level before they become options, but that’s where we are. I’d have preferred taking Weapon Proficiency once to give you scaling proficiency with that weapon, so you’re not spending a 13th level feat just to keep pace with everyone else.
Venture-Agent, California—Silicon Valley
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Yeah Adopted Ancestry is a bit of a trap.
Not if used correctly, like how my Orc Oracle/Champion chose it at level 3 to take Unburdened Iron at level 5 to ignore the speed penalty of their heavy armor. Just because it's a first level feat for Dwarves doesn't mean it's bad to get it at level 5. A lot of level 1 ancestry feats are still great picks at later levels for other ancestries.
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Ok, this reading is interesting. I don't read it the way you are. And I don't see much mechanical difference between "you can select" and "you select".
Well, the full context is:
You can select ancestry feats from the ancestry you chose . . .
If it was "You can select a feat from the ancestry you chose" then I might have argued that it is the same as "You select a feat from the ancestry you chose." Even if in this hypothetical version, the word "can" would suggest something you do in the future because if it was something you had the option to do or not do in the moment, not doing it would be not taking the feat in the first place.
However, since it is "You can select feats from the ancestry you chose," then it seems to be more of an access opener than a feat granter, and the person who corrected me is probably correct.
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Personally, I think that too many things in 2E get pushed to late level before they become options, but that’s where we are. I’d have preferred taking Weapon Proficiency once to give you scaling proficiency with that weapon, so you’re not spending a 13th level feat just to keep pace with everyone else.
I completely agree. This has been made such an unnecessarily complicated system when it comes to such things. "You can't use that weapon, you don't have Access to it. "Well, you have Access to it but you don't have Proficiency. Well, you have feats that give you proficiency but it won't scale without more feats. Oh, ok, of all these weapons, you only have proficiency that will actually scale in this small handful of weapons."