Master Summoner and Greater Shield Ally


Rules Questions


So with Master Summoner you can the ability to summon more monsters and a feat to make them better. The cost is Eidolon is half strength and you lose Shield ally. However it says nothing about Greater Shield ally. Greater Shield ally says nothing about requiring Shield Ally.
Another question is a evolution called Mount. Requires the Eidolon to be a certain shape and larger then the summoner. Here's my question if I take the feat Undersize mount can I still use my Eidolon as a mount even if it doesn't qualify for the mount evolution?


I can't find the relevant text, but I think the assumption is that instead of gaining the improved ability, you gain the previous ability in that chain. So when you'd gain greater shield ally, you'd instead gain regular shield ally.


I'd be willing to do that. I just noticed that you lose the lesser version but gain the upper version and the upper version needs the lesser version


Found it. It's in the ACG and maybe some other later core books

Quote:
If an archetype replaces a class feature that's part of a series of improvements or additions to the base class's ability (such as a fighter's weapon training or a ranger's favored enemy), the next time the character would gain that ability, it counts as the lower-level ability that was replaced by the archetype. In effect, all abilities in that series are delayed until the next time the class improves that ability. For example, if an archetype replaces a rogue's +2d6 sneak attack bonus at 3rd level, her sneak attack doesn't jump from +1d6 to +3d6 at 5th level—it improves to +2d6 just as if she had finally gained the increase for 3rd level. This adjustment continues at every level at which her sneak attack would improve, until at 19th level she has +9d6 instead of the +10d6 of a standard rogue.


Works for me. Now about using an Eidolon as an undersized mount?


I don't think the undersized mount feat cares what manner of creature you are riding.


Cool

Sovereign Court

Undersized Mount feat doesn't care what type of creature you are riding, just the size.
However, the Mount evolution does care what size of creature it's master is, not what the master is capable of riding.

They just don't interact. A Small-Sized Summoner with a Medium-Sized Eidolon can be ridden by a Medium-Sized Rider with the Undersized Mount Feat... but a Medium-Sized Summoner with a Medium-Sized Eidolon is not eligible to take the Mount evolution.


Wasn't considering the evolution in this case, just the feat. For example get my Avian Eidolon medium size then take Undersize Mount feat and ranks in ride. The advantage of this is mobility. Been in several encounters where mobility was an issue. Flying solves most of those issues. As a Master Summoner my Eidolon would be at half strength useless at my level for combat.

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