did they nerfed the wizard on the errata?

[Leomund "Leo" Velinznrarikovich]

Temperans, you make me chuckle. Thank you. Don't worry, I'm laughing with you.

Before the Melodious Spell tangent, I think I would agree with the statement that the wizard is only the best class at versatility. They fall behind in every other role (excpet maybe battlefield control, but that is only really available at higher levels).

I guess the questions after that are:
Does this bother you?
and/or
Do you think that wizards should be the best at something else?

[Temperans]

In my case I always though Wizards should be the best at modifying spells. Previously that is exactly what Wizards did.

At 1st level you got a passive ability that made spells of that school better, and an active ability of that school. At level 8 you got another ability that fits the school. All before even talking about metamagic, feats, or arcane discoveries.

Prepared metamagic and metamagic manipulation was a great part of what made the Wizard stand out. The fact they could prepare a spell to fit their needs without taking up actions is what made Prepared casting better than spontaneous.

And the Wizard had ways of getting spontaneous spells, which allowed them to have more freedom and the benefits of both spontaneous and prepared. But that is gone, but somehow spontaneous casters gained the ability to prepare spells.

I dont think Wizards in PF2 have flexibility. They just have the ability to spend gold to catch up with other classes.

[Henro]

Temperans wrote:

Henro wrote:

Whether it's possible to make discreet performances or not has no bearing on my Melodious Spell ruling. You can't hide an extremely noticeable action behind something extremely discreet, and Melodious Spell does not remove the overtly noticeable aspects of casting a spell, it merely hides them behind a performance.

Melodious Spell says that you hide all of the spell manifestations and action, even thou they are extremely overt. Its part of the rules for the feat.

By the way its written it doesn't matter how discreet the performance is. You are able to hide everything.

That's your rules interpretation. I would consider that "insane rules lawyering".

[PossibleCabbage]

There is no way to "perform discreetly" that is a contradiction in terms. Practice is not Performance, Humming a tune for yourself is not performance. Acting is not merely "impersonating a person" but a larger than life portrayal of a character specifically to be intelligible to an audience (that versatile performance explicitly calls out "use performance not deception to impersonate someone" means that this isn't a default option.) Even with versatile performance this is appropriate for "I am pretending to be the ambassador" moreso than "I am an extra in the background."

I mean, even background players are going to want to communicate "who I am and what I'm doing" in an exaggerated fashion so that this is immediately apparent to the viewer so they can pay attention to the more important parts and not wonder "what is that person back there doing."

[Unicore]

I made a thread to discuss the idea of a discreet performance in rules questions. You can find it Here