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Class Chapter (all spellcasting classes): Change the definition of cantrips to say "A cantrip is automatically heightened to half your level rounded up, which equals the highest-level of <Classname> spell slot you have." filling in the appropriate class name. This removes the ambiguities around the cantrip level of a non-spellcaster vs a multiclass spellcaster.
I find myself a bit confused by this latest bit of errata. The bolded sentence seems internally contradictory to me. A cantrip that automatically heightens to half your level, rounded up, is not always going to be equal to the highest level of spell slot you have. Reading it is like reading 2+2=33. It is factually wrong and doesn't make sense.
So what is this trying to say? What level are my cantrips?
It's only for martials multiclass into casters, I believe. If a martial takes wizard dedication but doesn't grab all the other spell feats (expert/master spellcasting) their cantrip doesn't heighten anymore.
What? It doesn't read that way at all! They seriously need to rephrase it if that was their intent!
What if I take all the archetype spellcasting feats? What's the level then? What if my base class is a spellcaster, but I'm taking the archetype feats for a different spellcaster?
Cause it doesn't sound like it's going to be half your level. I just don't see how that sentence could ever read as "true" unless you were a base class caster.
Seriously, if you're right about that, what was Paizo thinking? That warrior casters were totally breaking the game? Ridiculous!
Not sure how to feel about this one, though it does eliminate the weirdness where a multi-class caster's most powerful magic was their cantrip.
I think the confusion here is that this wording is being put into the spellcasting classes' descriptions to show how it works for them, not for the multi-class archetype feats. Though I don't remember reading that a multi-class cantrip was anything less than 1/2 level rounded up.
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A thread made just today in this very subforum already went into this! Mark Seifter confirmed that cantrips work the way everyone already thought they did, i.e like focus spell auto-heightening. The text is intended to seal up a super obscure RAW hole that made multiclass people have weaker cantrips by RAW. Apparently. I don't know enough about that issue to say how well it does that or how it compares to the original text.
I repeat: cantrips automatically scale to highest spell level of an equivalent full caster, like everyone already thought. There were no changes to cantrips.
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Yes it is still poorly worded. It is going to cause confusion.
"A cantrip is automatically heightened to half your level rounded up"
just by itself would be much better.
Well that's good news, but I remain confused.
What was this super obscure RAW hole? Does anyone know?
Well that's good news, but I remain confused.
What was this super obscure RAW hole? Does anyone know?
Well Mark said that multiclass cantrip casting had a potential spell level problem - which was already broadly discussed but only from the point of view of the Spell DC being so bad that you shouldn't do it. I don't think anyone on the forums picked up that the spell level was not what it should have been. Because the original rules where quite clear.
I really can't see the problem that Mark is patching. It seems right in the original.
Given that in the main errata discussion thread, Deriven was apparently already running with half-level for multiclass caster cantrips, I think we found Patient Zero for that weird spell level wording hole :b
Either that or I misunderstood, but either way I'm going to repost what I said over there, since discussion is scattered all around right now.
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The book seems to use somewhat different wording than the errata suggests that it does. There are some extra always's and usually's in there.
A cantrip is automatically heightened to half your level rounded up, which equals the highest-level of <Classname> spell slot you have.
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A cantrip is automatically heightened to half your level rounded up—this is usually equal to the highest level of bard spell slot you have.
A cantrip is always automatically heightened to half your level rounded up—this is usually equal to the highest level of cleric spell slot you have.
A cantrip is always automatically heightened to half your level rounded up—this is usually equal to the highest level of druid spell slot you have.
A cantrip is always automatically heightened to half your level rounded up—this is usually equal to the highest level of sorcerer spell slot you have.
A cantrip is always automatically heightened to half your level rounded up—this is usually equal to the highest level of wizard spell slot you have.