True. All the ancestor eidolon would get from the simple rogue template at levels 4-11 is +4 Dex, evasion and uncanny dodge.
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True. All the ancestor eidolon would get from the simple rogue template at levels 4-11 is +4 Dex, evasion and uncanny dodge.doesn't even get those, cause of the specific wording which is stuipid
4-11 all it get is +2 dex skills +2 AC
1) compare it with what other edilons get at level 4 and 12.
2) "+2 to AC", untyped, not a dex bonus. So the eidolon doesn't lose it if flat-footed.
3) +2 "all rolls based on Dex". Reflex saves, dex based skill, missile attacks. Not bad.
Essentially it is on the same level as getting two elemental resistances at 10, or getting an evolution point, or getting the jet ability and an extension of darkvision.
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I knew a thread with «rouge» in the title would attract Diego Rossi^^
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I knew a thread with «rouge» in the title would attract Diego Rossi^^
Well, Rouges should have worked better ;-)
But I must admit that I really hate when people misspell rogue that way. I don't think it was done on purpose, but my Rule Lawyer soul gets agitated every time I see that error.
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What if the character they're playing actually has an bat eidolon that is Rouge?
I'll suggest a nice cream base with ground cinnabar{historical}, carmine(if your GM knows what it is, or dried ground rose petals), or ground red mica for a *sparkly* effect.
There ARE eidolon improvement threads and I'd read those to find something to your liking... also they went through two phases, before and after correction. Discuss your plans with your GM as the critters went through the correction for a reason. Fey Obedience and Ancestral Eidolon seemed, ummm, interesting.
Nah, they used the rogue template as their example, so it looks like they are well aware of the restrictive ruling.
And they are right about it. A pet shouldn't have 75% (15 HD at level 20) progression on sneak attack, not even a slayer gets that. Not in combination with up to 7 full BAB attacks (8 with haste, more with AOO etc.).
I wouldn't worry about damage output - an eidolon is more than capable to deal a lot of it. Sneak attack is not required for that, just a bonus.
as i said perviously figther get feats, sorcerer gets bloodlines, and rogue would have gotten uncanny dodge and evasion but is told to remove these two leaving it with 0d6 sneak attack
For level 4 to 11:
The rogue version gets +2 on AC and "all rolls based on Dex". The AC bonus is untyped (as Diego Rossi pointed out), and "all rolls based on Dex" covers a lot of different skill checks - as well as initiative.
The fighter version gets +2 on Str rolls and a single bonus feat. The average combat feat nets you +1 AC and there are only two skill checks tied to Str. And, well, there are Str checks to break things.
The sorcerer version gets +2 on Cha rolls, an arcana, a bloodline power (capped to level 1), two cantrips and a 1st-level spell known (with CL 1). Now there are some Cha skill checks, but an eidolon isn't well-suited to cover them, with its mediocre Cha of 11. An arcana does less if you are not much of a caster, bloodline powers tend to scale with level, cantrips are of limited use at level 4+ and a single 1-st level spell needs some serious cherry-picking to be useful.
At least in my book all three versions are equally restricted - I don't see how the rogue is especially bad off. Each version has its merits for certain eidolon concepts, but you only get so much as a 4th-level base evolution (another thing Diego pointed out).
I've seem it spelled that way so often I am thinking that it is not a typo but a lame attempt at humor every time I see it. But I may be too cynical.
Not me, it makes me see red^^
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if the eidolon has a bat form, then clearly this is about Bat-on Rouge.