Quick question
Quote: Prerequisites trained in Aldori dueling swords
Access You are from the Broken Lands region.
Your Aldori duelist training teaches you martial techniques and increases your dedication to the Aldori dueling sword. You become trained in your choice of Acrobatics or Athletics and in Dueling Lore; if you were already trained, you become an expert instead. Whenever your proficiency rank in any weapon increases to expert or beyond, you also gain that new proficiency rank with Aldori dueling swords. You gain access to Aldori dueling swords.
The requirement is to be proficient in that specific weapon, means that I am able to use it and that I also own one ( not mandatory, but it's only normal to have the proficiency in a specific weapon and have that weapon ).
What does it mean "you gain access to aldori dueling swords"?
They are uncommon. When you gain access to something you gain the ability to purchase it.
It does not mean you get it for free.
That's ok, but how can a person be proficient in something which he doesn't own.
Are all the adventurers on leasing?
Thinking about a fresh lvl 1 character with unconventional weaponry.
20 years of training, and he doesn't even have the weapon.
Think of "proficiency" in Pathfinder second edition as mostly a rules term. All classes get weapon proficiencies as a basic, no matter if they have weapon or not. For instance, a cleric is trained in all simple weapons, so even if they have only used a crossbow so far, they can pick up a morningstar and use it with some efficiency.
The aldori sword is an advanced weapon, so it's much harder to gain proficiency with it. So far, only the fighter gets it without a feat, because they are trained in all advanced weapons. Other classes that are already trained with martial weapons could instead pick up the Weapon Proficiency feat (or unconventional weaponry, which gives access to the weapon anyway) and choose the aldori dueling sword, which might feel weird if they have never seen one, but is still possible within the rules of the game.
You can flavor it as the character having received training with this special sword (considering this weapon is specific to an organization), but only now becoming allowed to own one as an official Aldori Duelist. This is the description of the archetype itself : You have sworn the Aldori swordpact and study the art of Aldori dueling, a famed school of bladecraft which has been passed down for over a millennium from the teachings of Baron Sirian Aldori. One day, you hope to demonstrate your skill at swordplay in order to become acknowledged as a true swordlord.
The point is that feels odd:
- not being able to have one of the weapon you are proficient with.
- being able to get access to a specific weapon only if you are trained with it. How am I supposed to be trained with something I don't even have?
A fighter can have it without expanding feat, right, but any human can have proficiency with any advanced weapon starting from lvl1.
Not to say that something is uncommon depends the part of the world you are living.
An oriental weapon may be uncommon, but not if you leave in eastern country. Same goes for the aldori swords.
Different may be for rare magical stuff, or even unique ( even if you can craft it just taking the inventor skill feat, so it might be nothing more but a time sink which rely on levels).
What you proposed is a just a background, which can fit why a character still doesn't have an aldori sword, but it can't necessarily be the standard.
HumbleGamer wrote: The point is that feels odd:
- not being able to have one of the weapon you are proficient with.
- being able to get access to a specific weapon only if you are trained with it. How am I supposed to be trained with something I don't even have?
A fighter can have it without expanding feat, right, but any human can have proficiency with any advanced weapon starting from lvl1.
Not to say that something is uncommon depends the part of the world you are living.
An oriental weapon may be uncommon, but not if you leave in eastern country. Same goes for the aldori swords.
Different may be for rare magical stuff, or even unique ( even if you can craft it just taking the inventor skill feat, so it might be nothing more but a time sink which rely on levels).
What you proposed is a just a background, which can fit why a character still doesn't have an aldori sword, but it can't necessarily be the standard.
From a realism standpoint, your character probably can't take / wouldn't be able to take the Weapon Proficiency feat for Aldori Swords unless they were taught by someone with an Aldori Sword, and ostensibly, they'd be in a place where those swords exist. This feat basically acknowledges that by saying you're an Aldori Duelist, you obviously trained formallty to use this blade so you should be able to have it even if it's otherwise very difficult to track down. To the extent that your GM let you take the archetype and take the feat, you've probably got access to the sword: either the GM doesn't care and they are effectively common or you've done some extra legwork in the context of your story to access them.
Uncommon, rare, etc. just says how available a given thing is in a given region. If you've already talked to your GM and they've approved then the passage about access doesn't really mean much. In PFS, they have a system in place where your home region can authorize you access to certain kinds of items common in your region. It's a bit more formal / structured, but fundamentally comes down to the campaign GM saying "this is common in this region, if you're from there you can take it." Otherwise characters need to track them down. Your mileage will vary.
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I would just think of it this way:
There is a very public duel with two master swordsmen going at it. The spoiled noble's son says "Daddy, I want to learn how to be in a duel" So rich daddy pays the loser of the duel (to save money as the winner would be too expensive) to train his son. So this master swordsman trains the son with his favorite weapon, the Aldori Dueling sword. A month later the son has a basic understanding of the sword and how to use it, and the swordsman having fulfilled the contract leaves town.
This young lad is trained in the weapon, does not have the weapon and retailers may even refuse to sell it to him.
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