Occupying the Same Space


Rules Questions


Normally you can't, but when you are diminutive or smaller or when you have class feature that allows you to, are there any special rules or penalties?

I am playing a swarm shifter and want to make sure I don't get blind sided by anything.

Shadow Lodge

Moving into someone's space provokes an attack of opportunity. That's the only thing I can think of to keep in mind.


gnoams wrote:
Moving into someone's space provokes an attack of opportunity. That's the only thing I can think of to keep in mind.

That is known to me... And knownst to you, but thanks. :)


to be more specific moving into someones square provokes, this is totally separate from movement provoke 5foot steps do not prevent it. if you move and provoke and enter their square you provoke again for a total of 2. this is not considered the same thing can't provoke twice because 1 is from movement and 1 is from entering the square.


vhok wrote:
to be more specific moving into someones square provokes, this is totally separate from movement provoke 5foot steps do not prevent it. if you move and provoke and enter their square you provoke again for a total of 2. this is not considered the same thing can't provoke twice because 1 is from movement and 1 is from entering the square.

I know that's a rule, but I don't like it if the usual combat scale is with less than S/M creatures. Change the default scale to 2.5' or 1.25' and run the larger creatures as L/H or bigger as appropriate.


vhok wrote:
to be more specific moving into someones square provokes, this is totally separate from movement provoke 5foot steps do not prevent it. if you move and provoke and enter their square you provoke again for a total of 2. this is not considered the same thing can't provoke twice because 1 is from movement and 1 is from entering the square.

Are you sure about this? I've always played it as only provoking once (though it wouod still provoke on a 5-foot-step etc etc).

My Bloodrager with a Ssarmbane Clasp would love it if you're right but we've never done it that way.


MrCharisma wrote:
vhok wrote:
to be more specific moving into someones square provokes, this is totally separate from movement provoke 5foot steps do not prevent it. if you move and provoke and enter their square you provoke again for a total of 2. this is not considered the same thing can't provoke twice because 1 is from movement and 1 is from entering the square.

Are you sure about this? I've always played it as only provoking once (though it wouod still provoke on a 5-foot-step etc etc).

My Bloodrager with a Ssarmbane Clasp would love it if you're right but we've never done it that way.

it seems it has been FAQ'd since i last looked and they ruled it the other way. i will have to let my group know as we have tiny size players.

FAQ

we always said it was a different thing that provokes because if even a 5foot step provokes its not the movement that is provoking its the entering of the square otherwise a 5foot step would not provoke.


Eh, if you guys are happy the way you've been doing it I see no reason to change.

Of course if you're not happy now you have an excuse to change.


It seems the reason for entering opponents's squares depends a lot on what abilities you use to achieve it.

The Mouser Swashbuckler Archetype give you the ability to enter opponents' squares. You are considered Flanking with any adjacent ally. Your Opponent suffers a -4 on Attacks.

The Monkey Shine Feat gives you a +4 on all attacks and a +4 Dodge Bonus to AC.

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