Mounted charge. Standard or Full-round?

[Runehacking]

Someone just pointed out to me a FAQ has errata'd a thing I thought was a given;

I thought charging with a mount is a standard action (attack at the end of the mount's charge) for the rider.

The FAQ

This suggests it is now a full-round (charge attack) for the rider.
Meaning the rider is now down a move action (or rather, a move equifilent action, since the time of a move action already always got spend by the mount during the charge)

Meanwhile, I see tons of threads in ancient history all widely still accepting it is still a standard action. Even some that came after this FAQ.

Am I missing something here? Is it still a standard or is it a full round now?

[Belafon]

It is a full-round action for both the mount and the rider, because they both count as "making a charge" (which is a full-round action).

The rider gets to take whatever actions he could normally take while charging. Which usually means nothing but a swift action and a single attack at the end of the charge (barring feats or abilities that modify charging).

[avr]

When staggered (or otherwise limited to a standard action) charging is a standard action, and there are a couple of other ways to do so, the rhino charge feat that I remember for sure and more IIRC.

[Belafon]

avr wrote:

When staggered (or otherwise limited to a standard action) charging is a standard action, and there are a couple of other ways to do so, the rhino charge feat that I remember for sure and more IIRC.

In the specific case of Rhino Charge both you and the mount would have to have the feat.

That's why I specified "barring feats or abilities that modify charging." Every feat or ability can be summarized as "here's how you break the normal rules." There are ways to still take a full attack, but the general rule is that it's a full-round action for both the mount and rider.

[Belafon]

This is all assuming that the rider does intend to charge the target. Where it gets goofy is if the mount is going to charge the target but the rider wants to do some other action(s). Even that FAQ you cited draws a distinction between a "mounted charge" and "when only the mount charges" in explaining lance damage, so it seems that you aren't required to take the charge action just because your mount does.

Assuming you don't want to charge and can meet some skill check conditions, you can get the mount to charge an enemy as a free action while you still have a swift, move, and standard available.

conditions:

Assuming you:
1. Make the DC 5 Ride check to Guide with Knees (if you need both hands) (free)
2. Make the DC 10 Ride check to Fight with a Combat-Trained Mount (free)
3. Have a mount who is your animal companion, knows the attack trick, and you can make a DC 10 Handle Animal check (free for animal companion, move action otherwise)

For example you could make all the checks necessary to have the animal charge while you pull out a wand (move) and then use the wand (standard). Or take a full-attack with a longbow. Or possibly even take a move action and then make a single (non-charging) attack.

[Runehacking]

So it seems the FAQ really did change it to a full-round action for the rider. Be it under normal circumstances, off course.
Feats, surprise rounds or the staggered condition can still apply to the charge to make it a standard action.

Odd thing is, the FAQ mentions the print in the core rulebook will be altered, but I haven't seen the new print yet.

As far as I know,

The print still reads:

If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can only make a single melee attack. Essentially, you have to wait until the mount gets to your enemy before attacking, so you can’t make a full attack. Even at your mount’s full speed, you don’t take any penalty on melee attacks while mounted.

If your mount charges, you also take the AC penalty associated with a charge. If you make an attack at the end of the charge, you receive the bonus gained from the charge. When charging on horseback, you deal double damage with a lance (see Charge)

Did Paizo forget to change the print?
Or did they just never released a new core rulebook now that they're focussing on 2nd Edition?

[Derklord]

Belafon wrote:

Did Paizo forget to change the print?

Or did they just never released a new core rulebook now that they're focussing on 2nd Edition?

Paizo prints new editions when old ones run out of stock. The last edition of the CRB was from May 2013, almost a year before the FAQ was written.

Paizo had to cut down on kobolds that sneak into your house and change the text in books on your shelf for budget reasons.

[LordKailas]

Derklord wrote:

Paizo had to cut down on kobolds that sneak into your house and change the text in books on your shelf for budget reasons.

So that's why the binding on my early edition CRB is falling apart.....

[Runehacking]

LordKailas wrote:

Derklord wrote:

Paizo had to cut down on kobolds that sneak into your house and change the text in books on your shelf for budget reasons.

So that's why the binding on my early edition CRB is falling apart.....

This hits particularly close to home...

Maybe the kobolts were already on a budget if they were making such a mess... or did they try to send goblins?