These dedication feats don't give anything other than proficiency which is very lackluster if you wanted to make a 2 handed weapon fighter or a heavy armor specialist. I was disappointed when I saw these. The Scout dedication seemed to do it right also giving a feat as well. Maybe the Scouts dedication is a little much, but I would have liked more consistency in dedication feats, and its discouraging when you take a dedication feat and get absolutely nothing from it at that level.
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The Champion gains the crit specialization that they don't get without Blade Ally and Fighter makes that all their two handed weapons scales with their chosen weapon group.
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The Champion gains the crit specialization that they don't get without Blade Ally and Fighter makes that all their two handed weapons scales with their chosen weapon group.
Your right I didn't read that properly, thanx
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Since Fighter & Champion are the tops in their fields, it's bit harsh to suggest an archetype should do more than broaden their options unless one wants power creep. Like most mechanics in PF2, archetypes help PCs catch up so a non-Fighter or non-Champion can compete along similar lines.
The further behind the curve a PC is, the more they'll benefit (though even then often remaining a step behind). So PCs in classes at the top of their desired curve should look to their own class feats anyway or elsewhere for breadth.
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Both are actually useful for champion since they give reasonable access to fighter feats
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Since Fighter & Champion are the tops in their fields, it's bit harsh to suggest an archetype should do more than broaden their options unless one wants power creep. Like most mechanics in PF2, archetypes help PCs catch up so a non-Fighter or non-Champion can compete along similar lines.
The further behind the curve a PC is, the more they'll benefit (though even then often remaining a step behind). So PCs in classes at the top of their desired curve should look to their own class feats anyway or elsewhere for breadth.
Yeah, I wouldn't expect fighter to take mauler or champion to take sentinel. Those are basically the off-brand version of those classes, and I think it's more intended for other classes to take.
However, fighter and champion don't get nothing if they take the archetypes, but their benefits are much more limited compared to other classes taking it.