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We are going to use the Gamemastery Guide's Dualclass option. So my Ranger/Wizard Dedication is becoming a full Ranger/Wizard Dualclass character. She tool the Improved Familiar Thesis which gives me a familiar with 3 abilities between master and familiar. I chose Manual Dexterity and Cantrip Connection x2 for Mr Sniffles the Rat. Is that legal, or can I only take Cantrip Connection once?
Is that legal, or can I only take Cantrip Connection once?
Mark has said you can take it only once.
I haven't seen that anywhere in the book, is that just some forum statement he made? Is there a link?Is that legal, or can I only take Cantrip Connection once?Mark has said you can take it only once.
He said it here in the forums but I have no idea anymore where. It's been a while. He was clear though that none of the familiar/master abilities could be taken more than once: I recall because I too wanted to take Cantrip Connection more than once since you quickly run out of useful options without being able to do so.
EDIT: forum statement
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I think this falls under the general rule of "you can only take any option once unless it specifically says otherwise."
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I think this falls under the general rule of "you can only take any option once unless it specifically says otherwise."
The way it was worded made it seem like it was an ability that offered multiple options in one ability. What I mean by this is something like lore having many subcategories and each subcategory counts as its own skill or Assurance [athletics] and Assurance [acrobatics] : the way Cantrip Connection reads makes it seem like each time you take it, it's that way too, IE you take Cantrip Connection [detect magic] and not Cantrip Connection [free slot]. So I can see why people would want to know if you're meant to be able to take it multiple times or not. I know it seems like you should be able to when I read it.
That's not what it says though. It is fairly clunkily worded, but what it actually says is that the first time you choose Cantrip Connection for your familiar, you choose a Cantrip. From that point on, each day when you choose Cantrip Connection, you get that same Cantrip. You don't get to change the Cantrip each day when you select the ability.
what it actually says is that the first time you choose Cantrip Connection for your familiar, you choose a Cantrip. From that point on, each day when you choose Cantrip Connection, you get that same Cantrip.
Hm..
You can prepare an additional cantrip, or if you have a repertoire, instead designate a cantrip to add to your repertoire every time you select this ability; you can retrain it but can’t otherwise change it. You must be able to prepare cantrips or add them to your repertoire to select this.
Correct. Every morning when you select the ability, you add the Cantrip you chose the first time.
Otherwise, the next part about being able to retrain it but not change it any other way wouldn't make any sense.
That's not what it says though. It is fairly clunkily worded, but what it actually says is that the first time you choose Cantrip Connection for your familiar, you choose a Cantrip. From that point on, each day when you choose Cantrip Connection, you get that same Cantrip. You don't get to change the Cantrip each day when you select the ability.
I have to say I would have NEVER read it the way Mark said it was meant to be read: I would have assumed it worked like it says: "designate a cantrip to add to your repertoire every time you select this ability". If it said 'select a cantrip. Add it to your repertoire when you select this ability for the day', I'd read it that way.
Otherwise, the next part about being able to retrain it but not change it any other way wouldn't make any sense.
It didn't make sense but that was part of the question.
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Correct. Every morning when you select the ability, you add the Cantrip you chose the first time.
Please point to where it says "first time."
Correct. Every morning when you select the ability, you add the Cantrip you chose the first time.Please point to where it says "first time."
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ve5?Ancestral-Paragon-feat-selection#10
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https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ve5?Ancestral-Paragon-feat-selection#10Correct. Every morning when you select the ability, you add the Cantrip you chose the first time.Please point to where it says "first time."
Cool. Now I just have to wait on errata so "do x y every time" doesn't read as "every time: do x y" and instead of "x, every time do y"
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All of the redefinitions and choosing a Cantrip only applies to Sorcerers who have a limited Spell Repertoire.
But for a Wizard, I read it as "You get to prepare another Cantrip that you already know", since Wizards begin with 10 Cantrips (11 with a School specialization), but can only prepare 5 (6 with Specialization) at a time. So to me, I figured that prepared casters can choose another Cantrip they already know to prepare each day, and the Sorcerer actually learns and adds another (fixed) Cantrip to his Spell Repertoire.
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Correct. But you still can't take it 5 times per day to get 5 extra slots.