Scroll case of Simplicity?


Rules Discussion


How does a scroll case of simplicity work? What's the point of it?


I guess it lets you turn any 1st level scroll into a casting of one of those two spells listed. So if you have a bunch of floating disc scrolls sitting in party treasure, your cleric can convert them into heals, or something.

Seems pretty bad anyways though.


A Scroll Case of Simplicity consumes a 1st-level scroll stored inside it in order to cast a 1st-level spell determined by the case.

For example, suppose that after defeating an evil cultist, your party loots a scroll of harm from his body. None of you have any interest in casting harm. Therefore, the bard puts the scroll of harm into his Occult Scroll Case of Simplicity. He can then use the case to cast illusory disguise or soothe, because those are the occult spells inscribed on the case. Or the party could retrieve the scroll from the case and cast harm.

A Scroll Case of Simplicity is a 4th-level item, so it would be fairly useless if its only purpose was getting some use out of useless 1st-level scrolls. Instead, the party can carry around a couple of 1st-level scrolls that are specialized, such as air bubble or detect alignment or mending, just in case the party needs exactly that spell in an emergency. And then, if you unexpectedly need heal when the cleric is out of spells and divine font, you put an emergency scroll into a divine scroll case of simplicity to cast heal.

Nevertheless, a few scrolls of heal would be simpler.


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It seems at least somewhat useful for converting looted scrolls into more useful spells or alternatevily having a few generally useful spells but beeing able to sacrifice them for spells that are a little more niche
Maybe not the best magical item but I would probably keep it if I stumbled upon one


While I really do like the idea behind the item, as IMO this is a great alternative to the concept of wands that recharge freely, there is a RaW snag that really shows how these items unfortunately seem to be an afterthought.

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Activate [one-action] Interact; Requirements The scroll case contains a single scroll of a 1st-level spell;

So RaW, they only function with Rank 1 scrolls as fuel. Anything more potent is unusable.

That damns them to only be relevant at very low levels, and as an L4 item, it's already too expensive/ high level to be bought at L1 or 2. Add those two issues together, and it's like these scroll cases may as well not exist.

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What do you think of a houserule to let any R of scroll be used as fuel, causing the output spell to be heightened to [Scroll R - 1] minimum R1?

This would allow parties to actually use higher R scrolls that are off-tradition, because otherwise those R2+ scrolls are either locked into the value of an R1 spell, or will simply be sold at a later time for many many R1 spells worth of gp.

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I think that fix, plus one other design change would let the scroll cases see real use. Allow Scroll Cases the option to create them like custom staves.

The cases are in an odd spot where we might assume they work like wands, but as of now there is no "generic" or "blank" version printed to enable player. What do you think about allowing those with Magical Crafting to make a tradition-matching Scroll Case of a single R1 spell of their choosing?


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Again?

Can everyone at least be respectful to the echoes of the past posted years ago.


Tyriphian the Thread Psychopomp wrote:

Again?

Can everyone at least be respectful to the echoes of the past posted years ago.

Is it considered better forum form to make a new thread, or to find and use an old one? The topic was an exact match w/ my desired post.


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It is a reasonable reason to revive a thread. But it is good to note that the previous messages are just echoes from the past that often cannot and should not be interacted with.


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Trip.H wrote:
Tyriphian the Thread Psychopomp wrote:

Again?

Can everyone at least be respectful to the echoes of the past posted years ago.

Is it considered better forum form to make a new thread, or to find and use an old one? The topic was an exact match w/ my desired post.

If your intent is to propose a new house rule, it is better forum form to post that in the correct board. This thread's question was, "how does it work?" It was answered. This thread was done

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