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Yes, I would!
I really love the Starfinder format and with a 3-parter, I also wouldn't mind at which level it starts.
I know, some of the 1e APs could be run as a 3-parter (with some work), but getting such a product from Paizo would be awesome.
In my earlier days, finding time to play was never an issue. Now my players are grown up (well, at least one or two ;) , we have jobs, families, some work in shifts - so its getting harder to find time to play.
Another aspect is the huge commitment, both in time (for everybody) and workload (for the GM).
I am a Paizo fan since they took over the Dungeon and Dragon magazines and I am a AP-subscriber from the start. In all those years we managed to play three (yes, only three) APs. I GMed 2 and played in one. We play once a month and like to immerse ourselves into the world and story. That's why we would also like to experience more stories in AP format, but that's just so hard with 6 parts, which take us sometimes three years to complete. Sure, that's not everybodies problem, but I am sure there are people out there with similar issues.
I really wonder how many APs most of you have run or manage to run in a year?!
Anyway... can we have 3-part APs for Pathfinder, pleeeease?! :)
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I love paizo APs but they cast a pretty wide net for player and DM interests. As a result I find it is pretty common for groups to adjust to suit their interests.
For example, my group tends to trim encounters that don't progress the plot and find ways to cut short extensive dungeon crawls.
If 3 part APs meant clumping parts that my group did not find interesting into a different AP OR adventure design more focused on story or character progression I'd be all for it.
From a product publication perspective instead of splitting an AP you could instead publish 3 "adventure modules" that are written to be run back to back with a continuous story.
They could be marketed as "Pathfinder Adventure Arcs". I'd sub to that.
Definitely interested in a 3-book adventure as well. They're more manageable, you can actually complete them and have some finality, plus you could link related trilogies together.
Alternatively, making a 6-book AP with the 3rd book easily changeable to an ending would work well too.
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Some APs work well as 2, 3, or 4 part adventures.
I'm planning on ending Hell's Rebels away the end of Book 4.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if they do publish some 3 part APs like Starfinder.
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You could very easily run the first two books of Mummy's Mask as a full levels 1-6 campaign and the only thing a GM would need to change would be removing a couple of descriptions that hint towards the plot that happens later.
The first two books of this AP was some of the most fun adventuring my group has had.
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I think the three-parters are more valuable in Starfinder, which lacks a modules line. Pathfinder is nicely set up with full campaigns in the adventure path line, story arcs in modules, and one-offs in Society.
That said, I wouldn't complain about an experiment with some three-parters if the demand seems to be there.
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Yeah I don't think 3 part APs are as interesting in Pathfinder due to modules actually being a thing. I wouldn't mind having two of them (like levels 1-10 ja 10-20) but I wouldn't really want it to be a regular thing while with Starfinder I think having more of them is useful since page amount in Starfinder doesn't lend as well to longer adventures
Carrion Crown works *best* as a 3-part (1-3) AP.
Really?
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Another reason why its not reaaaaally necessary for Pathfinder: Most of APs are easily cut short and made to be 2 or 3 part APs anyway. So 3 part ap would only really work for the tables that are never able to stay together 6 parts so they can feel like they officially managed to complete an ap.
Or for groups, who would like to experience more different stories in a shorter time.
Carrion Crown works *best* as a 3-part (1-3) AP.
Also warped savant is right. You can easily change the book 2 macguffin to be an off switch, and Mummy's Mask is a very solid 2-parter.
Serpent's Skull also works very well as a 3-part campaign.
I would love shorter APs.
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Another reason why its not reaaaaally necessary for Pathfinder: Most of APs are easily cut short and made to be 2 or 3 part APs anyway. So 3 part ap would only really work for the tables that are never able to stay together 6 parts so they can feel like they officially managed to complete an ap.Or for groups, who would like to experience more different stories in a shorter time.
You could do that by just cutting APs short though.
You could do that by just cutting APs short though.Another reason why its not reaaaaally necessary for Pathfinder: Most of APs are easily cut short and made to be 2 or 3 part APs anyway. So 3 part ap would only really work for the tables that are never able to stay together 6 parts so they can feel like they officially managed to complete an ap.Or for groups, who would like to experience more different stories in a shorter time.
I found the earlier posts here about some AP's working really well when cut short encouraging.
But I'm not sure they work as a cut down version due to any deliberate design decision.
Which is in essence the suggestion proposed: plan, plot and write a more concise version of the current AP publications. Story's with a clear beginning middle and end over three books.
Trilogies are all the rage now! Just ask hollywood.
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You could do that by just cutting APs short though.Another reason why its not reaaaaally necessary for Pathfinder: Most of APs are easily cut short and made to be 2 or 3 part APs anyway. So 3 part ap would only really work for the tables that are never able to stay together 6 parts so they can feel like they officially managed to complete an ap.Or for groups, who would like to experience more different stories in a shorter time.I found the earlier posts here about some AP's working really well when cut short encouraging.
But I'm not sure they work as a cut down version due to any deliberate design decision.
Which is in essence the suggestion proposed: plan, plot and write a more concise version of the current AP publications. Story's with a clear beginning middle and end over three books.
Trilogies are all the rage now! Just ask hollywood.
I think devs did actually say some of them ARE written with intention of it being easy to cut them short by small alterations if GM prefers that.
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My group wrapped up the 1st 3-part AP, AGAINST THE AEON THRONE this fall. It was a lot of fun, especially because nothing got old.
That being said, plenty of Pathfinder 1E APs can be cut into pieces with minimal effort on the DMs part, and still provide excellent fun for the party and complete resolutions.
The aforementioned Mummy's Mask works perfectly as a 2 or 4 parter; Giantslayer can be reskinned as a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 parter, Ruins of Azlant works fine as a 3 parter, etc.
So, now that 2E's APs are going from 1-20; I dunno if this is a reasonable, or even worthy request. You can always just start at book 4 if you want a higher-level adventure.
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As for just cutting an existing AP in half, the whole point of APs is that they're a coherent story that build to a long-anticipated conclusion. They aren't just a bunch or adventures jammed together (or at least they shouldn't be). So revising a full AP to conclude the campaign at level 9 would take significant changes to the whole and to all sorts of details in each chapter.
Some of them, sure. Others, not so much.
My favorite AP, Second Darkness (I know), could come to an end after one book,
You could even start with book 2 ("The PCs are sailors who notice strange goings-on on a nearby island"), book 3 ("The PCs are elven soldiers"), or book 4 ("The PCs are an elite elven task force") and go from there as far as you like.
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I'd love this from time to time. It allows the occassional change of tone from "foil an earth changing threat" to just "defeat the rival thieves guilds and become crimelords of magnimar" scope of game.
Ive cut APs short before but its not quite the same feel, imo.
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I'll add that I wouldn't mind it occasionally happening, but as someone who DOES actually run aps to their conclusion (weekly roll20 games have easier time with not breaking up than live games :p), I've been really hungry for 1-20 level aps 1e almost never had that I would be annoying if 3 part aps became regular thing.
Sooo yeah, having two 3 part ap every 10 or 5 years would be enough for me :p Especially since modules exist in 2e and they are quite lengthy... Plus to be honest, 2e is even easier to prep your own material for than 1e was.
I'd love this from time to time. It allows the occassional change of tone from "foil an earth changing threat" to just "defeat the rival thieves guilds and become crimelords of magnimar" scope of game.
Ive cut APs short before but its not quite the same feel, imo.
Especially as someone who... basically never wants those crazy epic save the world plots.
I'll add that I wouldn't mind it occasionally happening, but as someone who DOES actually run aps to their conclusion (weekly roll20 games have easier time with not breaking up than live games :p), I've been really hungry for 1-20 level aps 1e almost never had that I would be annoying if 3 part aps became regular thing.
Sooo yeah, having two 3 part ap every 10 or 5 years would be enough for me :p Especially since modules exist in 2e and they are quite lengthy... Plus to be honest, 2e is even easier to prep your own material for than 1e was.
Haven't they already said all planned 2e paths go 1-20?
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Especially as someone who... basically never wants those crazy epic save the world plots.I'd love this from time to time. It allows the occassional change of tone from "foil an earth changing threat" to just "defeat the rival thieves guilds and become crimelords of magnimar" scope of game.
Ive cut APs short before but its not quite the same feel, imo.
Fantasy slow burn coffee shop story yessssss
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Especially as someone who... basically never wants those crazy epic save the world plots.I'd love this from time to time. It allows the occassional change of tone from "foil an earth changing threat" to just "defeat the rival thieves guilds and become crimelords of magnimar" scope of game.
Ive cut APs short before but its not quite the same feel, imo.
Pathfinder could tell many more types of stories if things were not so EPIC in scope. :)
Remember: Just because a story isn't about the "End of the World," doesn't mean that it isn't about the end of someone's world.
Especially as someone who... basically never wants those crazy epic save the world plots.I'd love this from time to time. It allows the occassional change of tone from "foil an earth changing threat" to just "defeat the rival thieves guilds and become crimelords of magnimar" scope of game.
Ive cut APs short before but its not quite the same feel, imo.
Pathfinder could tell many more types of stories if things were not so EPIC in scope. :)
Remember: Just because a story isn't about the "End of the World," doesn't mean that it isn't about the end of someone's world.
I could go for a lot less end of the world stories.
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Haven't they already said all planned 2e paths go 1-20?I'll add that I wouldn't mind it occasionally happening, but as someone who DOES actually run aps to their conclusion (weekly roll20 games have easier time with not breaking up than live games :p), I've been really hungry for 1-20 level aps 1e almost never had that I would be annoying if 3 part aps became regular thing.
Sooo yeah, having two 3 part ap every 10 or 5 years would be enough for me :p Especially since modules exist in 2e and they are quite lengthy... Plus to be honest, 2e is even easier to prep your own material for than 1e was.
Yes. I don’t think it’ll happen in the first few years. One day I’d like it if they tried the 3-3 approach of mini APs they did with Starfinder (and seem to be repeating there, so good sign, I guess).
I wouldn’t expect it until quite late. I have thought that one of the reasons issue 100 of the AP line fell a little flat with the customer base (though was a big deal at the company) was that it occurred mid-AP.
I wonder if a micro-arc for AP issues 199 and 200 might be a neat celebration (albeit a pretty radical departure from the norm). Followed by a 4-issue arc 201-204 and then back to regular programming.
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The modules line is definitely an alternate way to explore this kind of thing, however that product line has always seemed to be “the thing we stop when we get flat out”.
My perception may be off, of course but it means I no longer put as much faith in the existence of those as an ongoing thing (unfortunately as I really, really loved them when they were shorter, monthly releases). With any luck the edition shift will allow them to reset the schedule/staffing allocations and modules will become a regular, more frequent thing going forward.
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I feel like the modules that have been announced so far for PF2 are designed to take the storytelling slot that a 3-issue AP would fill. They're lengthy, in the sense that most of them are probably multiple-session stories for most groups, and cover several levels. They just happen to be in one book instead of three.