Vitalist Spirit of Many / Network powers


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I'm going to play a vitalist in an upcoming game and I had a question on the Spirit of Many ability and Network powers. Do I have to include myself in those castings? My main concern is with Expansion. It'll be great on the party barbarian, but the effective -2 to AC isn't good for me.

Liberty's Edge

You choose targets.


I get that I can choose other targets, but I don't think it says I can exclude myself in powers with a initial range of Personal?

I mean, I'd love to go with that, but I'd also like a reasonable rules argument for it.


Expansion is normally a single target power affecting the manifestor.

The Vitalist treats it as a Network power

Spirit of Many allows Network powers to be used on any member of the collective.

Thus, Expansion manifested by a Vitalist with Spirit of Many can target any member of the collective.

On, top of that, the Vitalist can augment Expansion to include other targets in the collective.

Liberty's Edge

Minotaur of Justice wrote:

I get that I can choose other targets, but I don't think it says I can exclude myself in powers with a initial range of Personal?

I mean, I'd love to go with that, but I'd also like a reasonable rules argument for it.

The reasonable rules argument is "you choose the targets." How about providing a reasonable rules argument where "you choose the targets" means "you don't actually choose the targets?" If they meant "you must target yourself and may choose other targets" they'd have said as much.

Also, the idea of "initial range" doesn't exist. Powers have an attribute called range, and a vitalist changes some of those ranges. The powers don't remember they used to have a different range.

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