
DerNils |
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I do think this is just the first bout of negotiations. And while I like Spidey in the MCU, I totally get where Sony is coming from. That offer was atrocious. By the logic of that offer, they only have to make half of what Spidey did in his last movie to be better off than this deal - and even VENOM did make 800Mil.
Not all Sony Spiderman movies were great, but they are absolutely valid movies. Spiderman 2 remains one of the all time greats. As Rysky mentioned, "Into the Spiderverse" just netted them an Oscar. I would feel confident in Sonys shoes as well.
I honestly do not think Disney will back off that easily, not after having Far From Home set up their Spidey as the heart of the next phase. But who knows?

Animism |

Especially if Sony wishes to continue to use some of the property opened up to them by Disney as part of the terms for allowing Spidey to be used in the MCU (or at least, that was my understanding of the initial deal - I may've got that wrong...).
Sony has their own 'big franchise plans', after all...
:p

GM SuperTumbler |
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Venom was fine and all, but it was an October release with the momentum from the appearances in the MCU enhancing its box office. If Sony doesn't realize that Kevin Feige has made the most compelling Spider-Man movies ever as the result of their emotional tie ins to the MCU, they are fools. Homecoming and Far From Home are great movies on their own, but they are made magnitudes better by being connected to the events of the HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL MCU. Marvel definitely gave away the magic beans long ago, and probably doesn't deserve the half they are reported to be seeking, but all of these things should attach themselves to the MCU as much as possible.
As for Sony, if someone else is making your most successful movies, maybe you should look at your internal structure instead of trying to screw up those movies.

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Lord Fyre RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32 |

Now if they can just get Sony to agree...
Even though Stan Lee's daughter says she's with Sony for reasons I'm not 100% sure I can fathom...
Disney has upped their demanded percentage of the gross profits of any future Spiderman film from 5% to 50%! This is too much of a jump for SONY.
The dispute stems from Disney’s demand that future “Spider-Man” films would be financed on a 50/50 basis, with Feige remaining in a consulting producer capacity. Sony is believed to have proposed keeping the arrangement under the current terms, which stipulate that Marvel receives about 5% of first-dollar gross and all merchandising revenues. However, Disney allegedly expressed concerns that Feige was spread too thin due to other Marvel projects plus original projects for Disney Plus.
I absolutely understand the viewpoints of both companies. But, I think that Disney got a little too greedy with this.

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Fyre,
It's POSSIBLE that Disney did get greedy...but clearly they felt they weren't getting the return on the investment they wanted from Sony initially.
That being said, I hope they both work it out...
In any event, it should explain to you why Joan Celia Lee is backing SONY and not Disney on this.

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Looks like they worked it out.
And there was much rejoicing.

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How can they even have a Spiderman 3 without the MCU at this point? From a plot perspective, they have built up a growing relationship with Peter and Aunt May with Happy Hogan, who's not a character Sony has rights to, the end of Spider Man Far from Home has him with EDITH and the Stark Iron Spider suit, both of which would probably need to be dumped from the plot, not to mention being post Snap/Blip would theoretically have more impact in Spiderman 3.
I wonder if Disney's 50% demand (or even the lower 30% demand some reports have later mentioned) is because they have so fully integrated Spiderman into MCU that Sony will have a much harder time separating them narratively without breaking parts of the characters and plot so far.

Lord Fyre RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32 |

I wonder if Disney's 50% demand (or even the lower 30% demand some reports have later mentioned) is because they have so fully integrated Spiderman into MCU that Sony will have a much harder time separating them narratively without breaking parts of the characters and plot so far.
Disney may have overestimated their strength in this negotiation. Spiderman's disappearance from the MCU would do a fair amount of damage there too.
The 30% is (to my understanding) the compromise that Disney offered after SONY called their bluff. Still 30% is a deal that SONY should take.

MMCJawa |

I don't think it will be the end of the world for either from a story perspective. Disney has a lot of properties, and tilting away from Spiderman won't be too difficult. Sony can minimize Peter Parker's MCU connections and probably still be okay...Spiderman really is a New York based hero and it might be nice if he actually could focus on that.
I think the greatest risk is likely to be:
1) Loss of confidence in Sony
2) Loss of quality of storytelling. Apparently Jon Watts is not happy and there is a potential he won't want to return, and if he does its possible him and Tom Holland might not put there 100% in. Also, without Fiege steering the ship, will pushy producers wreck the franchise? Venom is a mess, and the last 3 Non MCU Spidermans all have had extensive exec meddling. The new head of Sony (who oversaw the xmen films at fox) doesn't exactly give me confidence this won't be repeated.

Phillip Gastone |

How can they even have a Spiderman 3 without the MCU at this point? From a plot perspective, they have built up a growing relationship with Peter and Aunt May with Happy Hogan, who's not a character Sony has rights to, the end of Spider Man Far from Home has him with EDITH and the Stark Iron Spider suit, both of which would probably need to be dumped from the plot, not to mention being post Snap/Blip would theoretically have more impact in Spiderman 3.
I wonder if Disney's 50% demand (or even the lower 30% demand some reports have later mentioned) is because they have so fully integrated Spiderman into MCU that Sony will have a much harder time separating them narratively without breaking parts of the characters and plot so far.
If they don't dump May/Hogan, they might have Hogan just be 'The Ghost' who May talks about now and then but doesn't show up.
As for SHIELD, Peter could be let go so he can go to collage Perhaps something how debts are settled due to his past service. EDITH might just switch over to a different computer or Peter will be required to turn over control of the drone/kill-sat.

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We'll see... Disney isn't known for equitable....
That's the problem here.
Hopefully MARVEL realizes that the strength of the Spiderman character gives SONY the ability to say "no" to Disney and make it stick. Things can still work out well for both Studios (and the fanbase) if cooler heads on both sides can see reason.

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Vidmaster7 |
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Yeah I literally think they just did it as a negotiation tactic to pressure each other.
I would say Sony won because their deal is better then the one offered but then Disney won because it's still a better deal for Disney then it was for the previous movies.
Well you know what they say A fair deal is one where both parties feel they lost.