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God NO!!!!! I was just starting to enjoy the idea that MAYBE we'll get Spidey fighting the Hand!!!


That is...troubling news.


Oh, boo! He's finally in the hands of good writers. Don't take that away!


I kind of hope Disney just throws that Giant mouse you know what around and gets the rights back. This is pretty terrible. I will legitimately not watch a single Sony/only spider man movie.

Silver Crusade

You haven't seen Into the Spiderverse?


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Rysky wrote:
You haven't seen Into the Spiderverse?

One cartoon does not erase three movies with Toby McGuire.

Silver Crusade

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captain yesterday wrote:
Rysky wrote:
You haven't seen Into the Spiderverse?
One cartoon does not erase three movies with Toby McGuire.

It only needs to erase the last one.


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I do think this is just the first bout of negotiations. And while I like Spidey in the MCU, I totally get where Sony is coming from. That offer was atrocious. By the logic of that offer, they only have to make half of what Spidey did in his last movie to be better off than this deal - and even VENOM did make 800Mil.
Not all Sony Spiderman movies were great, but they are absolutely valid movies. Spiderman 2 remains one of the all time greats. As Rysky mentioned, "Into the Spiderverse" just netted them an Oscar. I would feel confident in Sonys shoes as well.

I honestly do not think Disney will back off that easily, not after having Far From Home set up their Spidey as the heart of the next phase. But who knows?

Sovereign Court

Taking Spidey and going home is just Sony's BATNA; a deal will get made.


Especially if Sony wishes to continue to use some of the property opened up to them by Disney as part of the terms for allowing Spidey to be used in the MCU (or at least, that was my understanding of the initial deal - I may've got that wrong...).

Sony has their own 'big franchise plans', after all...

:p


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Yeah because we ALL loved Venom...


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Venom was fine and all, but it was an October release with the momentum from the appearances in the MCU enhancing its box office. If Sony doesn't realize that Kevin Feige has made the most compelling Spider-Man movies ever as the result of their emotional tie ins to the MCU, they are fools. Homecoming and Far From Home are great movies on their own, but they are made magnitudes better by being connected to the events of the HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL MCU. Marvel definitely gave away the magic beans long ago, and probably doesn't deserve the half they are reported to be seeking, but all of these things should attach themselves to the MCU as much as possible.

As for Sony, if someone else is making your most successful movies, maybe you should look at your internal structure instead of trying to screw up those movies.

Scarab Sages

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Now if they can just get Sony to agree...

Even though Stan Lee's daughter says she's with Sony for reasons I'm not 100% sure I can fathom...

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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Now if they can just get Sony to agree...

Even though Stan Lee's daughter says she's with Sony for reasons I'm not 100% sure I can fathom...

Disney has upped their demanded percentage of the gross profits of any future Spiderman film from 5% to 50%! This is too much of a jump for SONY.

The dispute stems from Disney’s demand that future “Spider-Man” films would be financed on a 50/50 basis, with Feige remaining in a consulting producer capacity. Sony is believed to have proposed keeping the arrangement under the current terms, which stipulate that Marvel receives about 5% of first-dollar gross and all merchandising revenues. However, Disney allegedly expressed concerns that Feige was spread too thin due to other Marvel projects plus original projects for Disney Plus.

I absolutely understand the viewpoints of both companies. But, I think that Disney got a little too greedy with this.


Rysky wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Rysky wrote:
You haven't seen Into the Spiderverse?
One cartoon does not erase three movies with Toby McGuire.
It only needs to erase the last one.

Oh no, destroy them all, it's the only way to be sure.


captain

Now they just need to destroy the last one and the reboots.

Fyre,

It's POSSIBLE that Disney did get greedy...but clearly they felt they weren't getting the return on the investment they wanted from Sony initially.

That being said, I hope they both work it out...

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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Fyre,

It's POSSIBLE that Disney did get greedy...but clearly they felt they weren't getting the return on the investment they wanted from Sony initially.

That being said, I hope they both work it out...

In any event, it should explain to you why Joan Celia Lee is backing SONY and not Disney on this.


Fyre,

Not quite sure I get it...but then again in my own world of "If had the Infinity Stones." Marvel wouldn't have sold Spider-man to Hollywood; and I could cast the MCU to more my liking. :p But sure.

Liberty's Edge

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Looks like they worked it out.

And there was much rejoicing.

Sovereign Court

Dammit, I knew they would toss in the x-men...


I'd like to wait for confirmation before I start celebrating again.

Although...geez...If they are bringing Venom into the MCU I hope they do a lot better job than that first movie.

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MMCJawa wrote:

I'd like to wait for confirmation before I start celebrating again.

Although...geez...If they are bringing Venom into the MCU I hope they do a lot better job than that first movie.

It would be difficult for them to do a worse one.


I dunno. The one before wasn't that great either Fyre.

But I hope the rumor is true. In any case more time now to wait for 2022 and Thor's next adventure! :)


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Lord Fyre wrote:
It would be difficult for them to do a worse one.

Studio says "Hold my beer."


Damon,

Amen. It feels like when we say "This can't get worse..." Someone does something worse...

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How can they even have a Spiderman 3 without the MCU at this point? From a plot perspective, they have built up a growing relationship with Peter and Aunt May with Happy Hogan, who's not a character Sony has rights to, the end of Spider Man Far from Home has him with EDITH and the Stark Iron Spider suit, both of which would probably need to be dumped from the plot, not to mention being post Snap/Blip would theoretically have more impact in Spiderman 3.

I wonder if Disney's 50% demand (or even the lower 30% demand some reports have later mentioned) is because they have so fully integrated Spiderman into MCU that Sony will have a much harder time separating them narratively without breaking parts of the characters and plot so far.

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JoelF847 wrote:
I wonder if Disney's 50% demand (or even the lower 30% demand some reports have later mentioned) is because they have so fully integrated Spiderman into MCU that Sony will have a much harder time separating them narratively without breaking parts of the characters and plot so far.

Disney may have overestimated their strength in this negotiation. Spiderman's disappearance from the MCU would do a fair amount of damage there too.

The 30% is (to my understanding) the compromise that Disney offered after SONY called their bluff. Still 30% is a deal that SONY should take.


I don't think it will be the end of the world for either from a story perspective. Disney has a lot of properties, and tilting away from Spiderman won't be too difficult. Sony can minimize Peter Parker's MCU connections and probably still be okay...Spiderman really is a New York based hero and it might be nice if he actually could focus on that.

I think the greatest risk is likely to be:

1) Loss of confidence in Sony

2) Loss of quality of storytelling. Apparently Jon Watts is not happy and there is a potential he won't want to return, and if he does its possible him and Tom Holland might not put there 100% in. Also, without Fiege steering the ship, will pushy producers wreck the franchise? Venom is a mess, and the last 3 Non MCU Spidermans all have had extensive exec meddling. The new head of Sony (who oversaw the xmen films at fox) doesn't exactly give me confidence this won't be repeated.


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Yeah I mean if X-men is anything to go off, it doesn't seem like other studios know when to STOP getting execs involved.

But we'll see how this plays out.


JoelF847 wrote:

How can they even have a Spiderman 3 without the MCU at this point? From a plot perspective, they have built up a growing relationship with Peter and Aunt May with Happy Hogan, who's not a character Sony has rights to, the end of Spider Man Far from Home has him with EDITH and the Stark Iron Spider suit, both of which would probably need to be dumped from the plot, not to mention being post Snap/Blip would theoretically have more impact in Spiderman 3.

I wonder if Disney's 50% demand (or even the lower 30% demand some reports have later mentioned) is because they have so fully integrated Spiderman into MCU that Sony will have a much harder time separating them narratively without breaking parts of the characters and plot so far.

If they don't dump May/Hogan, they might have Hogan just be 'The Ghost' who May talks about now and then but doesn't show up.

As for SHIELD, Peter could be let go so he can go to collage Perhaps something how debts are settled due to his past service. EDITH might just switch over to a different computer or Peter will be required to turn over control of the drone/kill-sat.


All I know is I want Sony to realize that while Spidey CAN do well outside the MCU...it's more of an outlier than a sign.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
All I know is I want Sony to realize that while Spidey CAN do well outside the MCU...it's more of an outlier than a sign.

What it means is that both Disney and SONY have good negotiating positions. So hopefully, they can come to equitable terms. :)


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Yeah I mean if X-men is anything to go off, it doesn't seem like other studios know when to STOP getting execs involved.

But we'll see how this plays out.

and this is when I bring up that the guy who used to be at fox overseeing x-men amongst other movies is now at Sony...


Oh lord MMC.... Okay now I feel worse about Spidey's chances outside the MCU.

Also HISH had a hilarously awesome idea that I think both Disney and Sony should have used to help fight Mysterio.

Fyre,

We'll see... Disney isn't know for equitable....

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
We'll see... Disney isn't known for equitable....

That's the problem here.

Hopefully MARVEL realizes that the strength of the Spiderman character gives SONY the ability to say "no" to Disney and make it stick. Things can still work out well for both Studios (and the fanbase) if cooler heads on both sides can see reason.


Yeah I kind of gave up on companies being reasonable a long time ago Fyre...


Well...the James Gunn situation does give me hope that a month or so from now we will hear some positive news.


True MMC. I'm convinced we'll get GotG for 2022/2023 probably.


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MMCJawa wrote:
Well...the James Gunn situation does give me hope that a month or so from now we will hear some positive news.

Hah...I posted that on August 27, and what do I hear on Sept 27?

Marvel and Sony ink deal for Spiderman to remain in the MCU

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OH THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm with Mark. Thank you sanity and people that realize Spidey deserves to stay in the MCU.


Although the deal is only for one movie and one more additional MCU appearance (and Spidey appearing in Sony's other movies)

Might be a bit more of a reprieve, but glad they are getting to finish off the trilogy at least.

Scarab Sages

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I was thankful to hear this, but wonder what changed minds.

My own thinking is Sony saw public opinion more against them than in favor. At least, that's what it seemed like to me. I wonder if that was affecting sales of Far From Home on bluray/dvd/digital? Personally, I wasn't going to buy it.


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I think it was all a big negotiating tactic...I don't think there was a "change" in mind so much as each party trying to play hardball with the other.


All I know is I hope that if they do bring in Daredevil, they do so with Charlie Cox along with maybe Luke Cage too.

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MMCJawa wrote:
I think it was all a big negotiating tactic...I don't think there was a "change" in mind so much as each party trying to play hardball with the other.

But who actually won?


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Yeah I literally think they just did it as a negotiation tactic to pressure each other.

I would say Sony won because their deal is better then the one offered but then Disney won because it's still a better deal for Disney then it was for the previous movies.

Well you know what they say A fair deal is one where both parties feel they lost.


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At least the party the fans have isn't lost. That's the one I care about more.

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