I'm sure I'm missing it in reading, but while the focus spells for different classes starts on 386, I don't happen to see any references to these pages within the respective classes (Bard, Champion, Cleric, Druid, Monk, Sorcerer and Wizard). Could someone help point out where this is mentioned?
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They can be found in the various class features and feats, dependent of the ability and class.
Draconic sorcerers receive Dragon Claws as a focus power when they choose their bloodline, for example, but the feat Advanced Bloodline 6th level feat grants you the Dragon Breath focus power.
They can be found in the various class features and feats, dependent of the ability and class.
Draconic sorcerers receive Dragon Claws as a focus power when they choose their bloodline, for example, but the feat Advanced Bloodline 6th level feat grants you the Dragon Breath focus power.
Yes, but what I mean is that while they are referenced there's no "see page 386 for details" or similar. I mean, I eventually found them when going through the spell section but I couldn't find them easily.
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Each individual focus power lists the page number in the powers class feat section. For example the Monk focus power "Ki Blast" states to see page 401 for power details. The page number for each power is listed in the specific class feat entry that grants it.
Not for all classes, they don't. I read the champion as my first class description. I couldn't figure out where the details of Lay on Hands were explained until I searched around for a few minutes, then finally gave up random searching and used ctl-F on the pdf to search for "Lay on Hands".
If I'd been looking at a hard copy of the book instead of the pdf, I'd probably have gotten banned from these forums for telling Paizo what I thought of this book. Blind luck, or reading all 640 pages from cover to cover, are the only ways that anyone reading the paper copy of this book is going to figure out that the 100 page listing of spells is only alphabetized for 80% of those pages, and that there are other categories of spells that are separate.
Each individual focus power lists the page number in the powers class feat section. For example the Monk focus power "Ki Blast" states to see page 401 for power details. The page number for each power is listed in the specific class feat entry that grants it.
Yes, but that doesn't seem to be the case for all the classes. Bard mentions it under Lingering Composition to go to page 387 as well as other composition feats. While the rules for Devotion Spells are mentioned to be on page 300, I can't find any of the actual mentions (like Lay on Hands) to reference page 387, which is where it's located. The Domain Initiate and Advanced Domain feats reference the table on 441 but not the actual spells from 389 - 399. Nor does the table tell you that the spells are located on pages 389-399. The Druidic Orders mention heal animal and goodberry but not what they do or what pages they are on. Sorcerer Bloodline Spells do not mention to look at pages 402-406. Wizards, however, are told to look on page 407 for their school spells.
So of the seven classes that have Focus Spells, three mention where to find them. If you happened to start on one of the other four, you'd be left wondering where they are (yes, if you turned to 632 in the glossary and index you'd find them, but I don't think you should have to do that if it can be simply referenced in the relevant text).
Just flip to the back of the spells section and they are ordered alphabetically by class.
Except focus spells. They are mentioned on page 300 but don't appear again in full detail until page 386. They are not part of the regular spell listing, which starts on page 307 with the lists by tradition or 616 for full details.
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So of the seven classes that have Focus Spells, three mention where to find them. If you happened to start on one of the other four, you'd be left wondering where they are (yes, if you turned to 632 in the glossary and index you'd find them, but I don't think you should have to do that if it can be simply referenced in the relevant text).
As mentioned above, I started with the champion class. "Lay on Hands" isn't in the glossary and index, and it's referred to as a "devotion spell" in the class description, which is another term that's not in the index. I never thought to look up the term "focus spell" in the index.
Looking again now, the term "focus spell" is used in the description. But it's not a section heading, it's not capitalized, it's not italicized or anything else like that, so there's nothing to make it jump out as a rules term.
Like I said, I had to use ctl-f to go search the pdf for "Lay on Hands". If I only had the paper copy of the book, I never would have found it. That's a problem.
As mentioned above, I started with the champion class. "Lay on Hands" isn't in the glossary and index, and it's referred to as a "devotion spell" in the class description, which is another term that's not in the index. I never thought to look up the term "focus spell" in the index.Looking again now, the term "focus spell" is used in the description. But it's not a section heading, it's not capitalized, it's not italicized or anything else like that, so there's nothing to make it jump out as a rules term.
Like I said, I had to use ctl-f to go search the pdf for "Lay on Hands". If I only had the paper copy of the book, I never would have found it. That's a problem.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you could find something specific like "Lay on Hands" in the glossary and index, only that Focus Spells themselves are listed there. And I agree that it's not really very obvious, which is why I started this to begin with. I was very frustrated at having the reference but not a page number to go with it. This is especially bad since the Bard, Monk, and Wizard all are told where to look but the Champion, Cleric, Druid, and Sorcerer are not.