Am I missing something, or is Hellfire Plume terrible?


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So I'm creating a Diabolic Sorcerer as my first PF2 character, and as far as I can tell, there's no reason why you'd ever take Hellfire Plume unless you were in an evil campaign.
Half of the damage it deals is evil damage, which ONLY affects good characters which you'd rarely by fighting in most campaigns. So for all intents and purposes, it only does 4d6 fire damage as a 5th level focus spell, which is abysmal.
Is there something I'm missing, or is this spell only intended for evil campaigns? (If so, embrace the pit has the same problem in such a campaign, due to the enormous weakness to good damage).


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Cozzymandias wrote:

So I'm creating a Diabolic Sorcerer as my first PF2 character, and as far as I can tell, there's no reason why you'd ever take Hellfire Plume unless you were in an evil campaign.

Half of the damage it deals is evil damage, which ONLY affects good characters which you'd rarely by fighting in most campaigns. So for all intents and purposes, it only does 4d6 fire damage as a 5th level focus spell, which is abysmal.
Is there something I'm missing, or is this spell only intended for evil campaigns? (If so, embrace the pit has the same problem in such a campaign, due to the enormous weakness to good damage).

I think you're correct that it only affects good creatures, unless I've missed a feat or spell that lets you add it like that one Litany spell adds a weakness to good damage. I'd actually go as far as to say the whole bloodline seems to be best suited for an evil campaign though-- Enchantment is the most evil school of magic, IMO.

However, if you choose to play it in a good campaign, you can simply not take that bloodline feat. Which seems fine to me as sorcerers have so many good feat choices anyway.


Not great, Bob.


Captain Morgan wrote:


However, if you choose to play it in a good campaign, you can simply not take that bloodline feat. Which seems fine to me as sorcerers have so many good feat choices anyway.

That's my current plan, yeah. My character is multiclassed into fighter so I have plenty of solid feat options.

I was just hoping I'd missed something because Diabolic bloodline has a solid offensive blood magic (+1 fire damage per spell level) and I was hoping Hellfire Plume would be usable since the bloodline spell list only has two damage spells on it, one of which is 9th level.


Yeah unless Campaign is against good outsiders you be hard pressed to make use of their focus spells.


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Cozzymandias wrote:
Captain Morgan wrote:


However, if you choose to play it in a good campaign, you can simply not take that bloodline feat. Which seems fine to me as sorcerers have so many good feat choices anyway.

That's my current plan, yeah. My character is multiclassed into fighter so I have plenty of solid feat options.

I was just hoping I'd missed something because Diabolic bloodline has a solid offensive blood magic (+1 fire damage per spell level) and I was hoping Hellfire Plume would be usable since the bloodline spell list only has two damage spells on it, one of which is 9th level.

Spend that feat on crossblooded instead and take fireball then. Or just snag flamestrike.


Technically it is a 5d6+5 targeted AoE that is available once nearly every combat. I wouldn't say it is a good pick but it isn't really terrible, suboptimal for those not leaning into fighting against good aligned foes though.

But, that is one of the benefits of the class features as a feat thing. Doesn't have to be chosen :)

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