Monk archetype proficiency


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I am confused about the initial Monk archetype, Monk Dedication. It states that when you take it you become trained in unarmed attack and gain the powerful fist class feature. All the classes are, at the very least, trained in unarmed attack, so why state that in the dedication feat? Does this additional training make you an expert in unarmed attack, or is it largely pointless? Any help on this would be appreciated.


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Brotter24 wrote:
I am confused about the initial Monk archetype, Monk Dedication. It states that when you take it you become trained in unarmed attack and gain the powerful fist class feature. All the classes are, at the very least, trained in unarmed attack, so why state that in the dedication feat? Does this additional training make you an expert in unarmed attack, or is it largely pointless? Any help on this would be appreciated.

Being trained twice (in anything) doesn't make you an expert. It is indeed pointless - assuming that all classes and archetypes will always be trained in unarmed strikes.


It's mostly for future proofing, in case a class comes along later that isn't trained in unarmed attacks because then the rest of the monk stuff doesn't work if you're not trained in unarmed.


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I don't think we need future proofing against untrained unarmed attacks. If sorcerer and wizard are trained in unarmed attacks, who would be untrained?


David knott 242 wrote:

I don't think we need future proofing against untrained unarmed attacks. If sorcerer and wizard are trained in unarmed attacks, who would be untrained?

Perhaps a hypothetical "I can form a weapon from my mind whenever I want" class who never had to consider the possibility of being unarmed?

Why one of those would MC monk, I dunno, though.


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Maybe there will be a new oracle curse that prohibits the oracle from making unarmed strikes, but such a curse would presumably also prohibit taking Monk Dedication. Other than that, I am having a very tough time imagining anyone being that incompetent with unarmed strikes.

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