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I was planning in my head all day of making an Elf Champion (Liberator) of Erastil but noticed when I got home that Erastil doesn't have Chaotic Good for a worshipper's alignment. This makes no sense (to me) for an Elven deity of home & community.
Also, Asmodeus: No Lawful Neutral worshipper's alignment? I thought most Chelaxians that worshipped Asmodeus were LN.
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Erastil isn't an Elven God, is LG, and has never had CG followers.
As for Asmodeus, most actual devotees of his are LE, and certainly all of them who gain power from him are Evil given his goals. LN Chelaxians give him respect, but they're not devoted to him in any personal way. This is technically a change from PF1, but a very thematically appropriate one.
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For deities the alignment requirements are for people who are actually empowered by that deity; there are no requirements on random people worshiping whoever they want.
So for Clerics and Champions, you have to pay attention to that, but CG Rangers can worship Gozreh, LG Wizards can worship Nethys, etc. But for non-clerics/champions "worship" doesn't mean much besides "keeps the rites, attends ceremonies, owns a copy of the sacred text" that sort of thing.
I was planning in my head all day of making an Elf Champion (Liberator) of Erastil but noticed when I got home that Erastil doesn't have Chaotic Good for a worshipper's alignment. This makes no sense (to me) for an Elven deity of home & community.
Also, Asmodeus: No Lawful Neutral worshipper's alignment? I thought most Chelaxians that worshipped Asmodeus were LN.
A liberator would be the very antithesis of what Erastil stands for. He is the god of community, of the invisible chains that bind us to our communities. of the obligations that we owe our home and community. He is the idea that the one should sublimate thier own desires and dreams for the betterment of our community. I can't even conceive of any way Erastil would ever support a liberator.
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Erastil isn't an Elven God, is LG, and has never had CG followers.
As for Asmodeus, most actual devotees of his are LE, and certainly all of them who gain power from him are Evil given his goals. LN Chelaxians give him respect, but they're not devoted to him in any personal way. This is technically a change from PF1, but a very thematically appropriate one.
Woah. I think I got Erastil confused with an Elven deity!
Thanks for the info on both Erastil & Asmodeus.
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A liberator would be the very antithesis of what Erastil stands for. He is the god of community, of the invisible chains that bind us to our communities. of the obligations that we owe our home and community. He is the idea that the one should sublimate thier own desires and dreams for the betterment of our community. I can't even conceive of any way Erastil would ever support a liberator.I was planning in my head all day of making an Elf Champion (Liberator) of Erastil but noticed when I got home that Erastil doesn't have Chaotic Good for a worshipper's alignment. This makes no sense (to me) for an Elven deity of home & community.
Also, Asmodeus: No Lawful Neutral worshipper's alignment? I thought most Chelaxians that worshipped Asmodeus were LN.
What about a peaceful NG village in a nation ruled by a LE tyrant?
Orc slavers that invade a village to loot, pillage, and take people into slavery?
That kind of stuff.
Yeah, definite Erastil/Elven confusion happening, although TBH Erastil does sound like stereotypically Elven name.
Didn’t the early Erastil write ups have some pretty “problematic” things in them at least from an inclusivity point. I believe he was LG but was really strict on gender and societal roles but insisted women mothers, wives and look after the home etc.
I am not saying having a deity for this is unrealistic. It is completely appropriate for the setting. And he is worshipped often in wilderness and border areas where a strong community is needed for mutual survival
I just feel like I remember seeing that some were uncomfortable with the association of the stereotypes with Lawful Good
But that is a digression especially as the original confusion has been resolved
And it very much seems like they have removed some of the “one steps” that didn’t make sense for priests of certain alignments.
Sure a lawyer or someone would value Asmodeus and his approach to contracts for unspecific ends but a cleric of his knows his ultimate goals are nefarious
(Although reading his write up definitely gives me a more big L vibe at least in relation to some of the other evil deities - but I haven’t read everything )
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Yeah, it was pretty f$&~ing stupid, I mean doesn't matter how bad you consider his opinions, if he did enough Good acts he should still measure as LG. It's just a combo of people with finicky defensive morality and shallow understanding of Alignment that thinks every act of a Good character must be Good despite it explicitly functioning as a measurement, and now in 2E many Gods overtly caring more or less about alignment given the divergent follower alignment restrictions. And somehow expecting fantasy characters to not have ethical conflicts or anything else real people have.
Yeah, I think I would see Asmodeus like a lawyer who specialized in re-enslaving escaped slaves or something. There is no way that isn't evil. Or whatever US Goverment lawyers who craft threadbare justifications for torture or sustaining global mafia shake-down etc. Everybody knows they are all about justifying power and nothing else.
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Erastil was not retconned due to controversy, he was retconned because James Jacobs invented him and had specific ideas of how he should be, but someone else wrote the deity article and contradicted those ideas.
In a sense, it's more errata than retcon, with the deity's original author correcting a flawed portrayal.
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I think we are very likely to get something similar to "Agents of Evil" for 2e that will introduce options for Heretics of Good Gods and Appeasers of Evil Gods into the new edition. Religiously deviant characters are fairly popular, and I can't see Paizo completely ignoring the people who enjoy playing them. Also, if you truly have your heart set on some kind of heretic Divine caster, just talk to your GM about it. As long as you aren't trying to do something completely absurd (like a Paladin of Asmodeus) most GMs will work with you about bending Alignment rules.