Unseen servant + Call weapon spell : Will the servant count as an ''ally'' ?


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I drop a weapon during combat. My unseen servant is instructed to go and pick up the weapon.

A bit later I use the ''Call weapon'' spell to call that weapon back to my hand. Is the unseen servant a valid ''ally'' for using the spell ?


There's no official answer. The main problem is that we aren't sure if the servant counts as a creature. But barring that, we also aren't sure if something has to be a "creature" to be an ally.

The DM will just have to make a call. Personally, I'd allow it to work, but I'm in a bit of a minority who think that servants are basically creatures.

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CRB wrote:
An unseen servant is an invisible, mindless, shapeless force that performs simple tasks at your command.

Based on the text of the spell, an unseen servant isn't a creature at all.

Call weapon is a bit weird as it targets a "melee weapon wielded by an ally" and can't target a weapon that isn't in the possession of anyone. There is that annoying "wielded" term too, so, apparently, you can't target a weapon in a scabbard, on a hook on the side of the backpack, only what the ally has in his hands.

An unseen servant can't wield a weapon, so, again, the spell will not work.

All the above say that RAW the spell doesn't work in this situation.

All that notwithstanding, in a home game I will allow it to work as the Unseen servant is a force controlled by you. If you are willing to spend 2 first level spells to rapidly recover your weapon I think you should be able to do it.


The servant is a creation spell instead of an evocation spell, and that’s why I’m pretty sure the servant is basically a creature.

The bit about wielding is really tricky though. The definition of wield has changed a lot over the years and it’s broken the intention of a few old rules.


Another problem with the ''wield'' part, is that the Call weapon spell states that it can be used on unconscious allies, as long as they are still in contact with the weapon. Those allies are most certainly not Wielding the weapon while they are unconscious.


MaxWar wrote:
Another problem with the ''wield'' part, is that the Call weapon spell states that it can be used on unconscious allies, as long as they are still in contact with the weapon. Those allies are most certainly not Wielding the weapon while they are unconscious.

True. But wield used to just mean they had the weapon in hand. But then because of some rules abuses, with things like defending magic weapon on a gauntlet you never attack with, there was a poorly thought out FAQ that made "wield" more active, so you have to be actively using the weapon for its purpose, in other words attacking.

But you'll find lots of rules that were written before this FAQ was decided, and some of them just no longer work the way they were intended to work.


well.. it has hp (" It cannot be killed, but it dissipates if it takes 6 points of damage from area attacks") and the spell information state "Effect : one invisible, mindless, shapeless servant"
id go and say if a construct can be considered and ally this is no less then that.

still there is the wield probelm. even an uncouncius ally need the weapon to be touching his body (well when you fall uncounciouos you drop your held items so that's a thing to look at). but as this servant has no body ("..mindless [b]shapeless/b]..."). does it even ever have a body contect with the weapon to begin with?


This question of "who is an ally" hasn't been officially answered, but there is some text in the Invisibility spell that would give us something to build on. I don't expect Paizo to come out with any FAQ's/Erratas for PF1 anytime soon.

Invisibility wrote:
The spell ends if the subject attacks any creature. For purposes of this spell, an attack includes any spell targeting a foe or whose area or effect includes a foe. Exactly who is a foe depends on the invisible character’s perceptions. Actions directed at unattended objects do not break the spell. Causing harm indirectly is not an attack. Thus, an invisible being can open doors, talk, eat, climb stairs, summon monsters and have them attack, cut the ropes holding a rope bridge while enemies are on the bridge, remotely trigger traps, open a portcullis to release attack dogs, and so forth. If the subject attacks directly, however, it immediately becomes visible along with all its gear. Spells such as bless that specifically affect allies but not foes are not attacks for this purpose, even when they include foes in their area.

Exactly who is a foe depends on the invisible creature's perceptions, so you can cast a Dispel on a perceived enemy and it would break the Invisibility spell, but you can cast Dispel on an ally without breaking the Invisibility spell.

So... it can be reasonably assumed that an "ally" is anyone you personally perceive as an ally. Call Weapon requires an Ally for a target, not a creature. It's any ally. So, I would allow Call Weapon to work with Unseen Servant. That's my own 2 coppers.

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