Dose urinating in combat provoke an attack of opportunity?


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"Is he going for some hard level of realism where you have to track things like bathroom use?"

Nope, I just have a goblin, and he is a very gobliny goblin, and that feels like something he would do to his opponent.
Next question would be, could this be counted as a dirty trick, or some other type of action? As far as I can tell, no one has addressed this topic.

I'm also working with my GM to allow my character to use craft alchemy by just eating the ingredients and hoping things go well. I'm beginning to really enjoy goblins.


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If you're actually doing it at someone then that's a form of ranged attack and would provoke an AOO. If used as part of a combat maneuver, it provokes as part of the combat maneuver. If you're just wetting yourself then no that wouldn't be an AOO.


Well considering they got him literally with his pants down, yes that is a attack of opportunity.


ekibus wrote:

Well considering they got him literally with his pants down, yes that is a attack of opportunity.

But what if he doesn't wear pants?


I mean, overall I do think it would proc an AOO, but I'm just kind of curious if this has been addressed before, or if there's a rule it fits well under, and what it would be considered. I'm not sure I agree with it being a ranged attack, maybe ranged touch if you're going to go that route, but I'm not sure that fits the best either.

Liberty's Edge

This is the best thread I've seen in weeks.

My 2c: As others note, if you're using it as a ranged touch attack, then yes. If you're squatting over someone it's an unarmed melee attack and you'd need Improved Unarmed Strike of its equiv or it would also provoke.


I would treat it as a dirty trick maneuver. Allow it to blind or sicken someone for a round, but it is a standard action that provokes AoO without the proper feats.


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+1 on the dirty trick maneuver. It's not so different from the ol' sand-in-the-eyes trick. The Improved Dirty Trick feat makes you a pro at manipulating your stream without dropping your guard.


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blahpers wrote:
The Improved Dirty Trick feat makes you a pro at manipulating your stream without dropping your guard.

Quote of the day right there


Retrieving your stored item will provoke an attack of opportunity. For the attack itself, I'd use the "douse with holy water" rules. Only adjacent, ranged touch that doesn't provoke. Dirty tricks aren't specific in the how, so pissing in someone's eyes is certainly on the menu.

Silver Crusade

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It's equivalent to casting Create Water, so you don't provoke only if you piss defensively.


I would also vote for the dirty trick maneuver rules. So it provokes unless you have the improved dirty trick feat, and maybe some circumstantial support to justify that this is indeed something that you can quickly pull out in combat without dropping your guard (or your pants).


MaxWar wrote:
and maybe some circumstantial support to justify that this is indeed something that you can quickly pull out

Hopefully this won't involve any real life demonstrations.

On a more serious note, this is the sort of thing that could not go over well with some groups. Make sure everyone in comfortable with this sort of adolescent slapstick humor and that they are happy with a less serious game before you make a character like this. I personally don't think it would be appropriate for a PFS table where you didn't know who was going to be playing, for example.


I woke up to this...

I'd also agree that it's a Dirty Trick Maneuver.

I'm thinking that maybe this would be better in the Rules board...Right next to the Succubus in a Grapple.


Dave Justus wrote:

On a more serious note, this is the sort of thing that could not go over well with some groups. Make sure everyone in comfortable with this sort of adolescent slapstick humor and that they are happy with a less serious game before you make a character like this. I personally don't think it would be appropriate for a PFS table where you didn't know who was going to be playing, for example.

GM rolled us random characters, now we have to make them work. So yeah, it's not an incredibly serious game.

Liberty's Edge

Real Question for ya- Does Goblin Weapon Familiarity provide proficiency with this attack?


Themetricsystem wrote:
Real Question for ya- Does Goblin Weapon Familiarity provide proficiency with this attack?

I'm more interested in what happens when you get a critical failure

Grand Lodge

well, it is a move action to drop your trousers and undo your breeches, so one would assume that provokes. unless your goblin runs around completely nekkid... then, EWWWWWWWWWWW

as a gm, i'd say urinating on someone is a Dirty Trick as "Range touch vs Opponent's Sense Motive" with Critical Effect: Sicken

But real question is- are goblins housebroken or completely incontinent?


MisterPlacebo wrote:


I'm more interested in what happens when you get a critical failure

Roll a d4

1. You wet yourself.
2. You lose control of the stream and accidentally splash a team-mate.
3. Your willy gets stuck in the zipper.
4. You pass a kidney stone and lose consciousness from the pain


I'm reminded of one of the things on the list of "stuff I'm no longer allowed to do in RPGs".

Things Mr. Welch can no longer do in an RPG wrote:
563. I can't make anyone Jewish with a called shot.

So yes, Dirty Trick sounds right if you want it to actually do something. Just beware of the retaliation.


omg I'm dying XD XD XD Best thread ever, 5 stars.

I really hope you get Quick Dirty Trick just so I can envision a goblin launching a directed urine blast to blind in lieu of one of his attacks per round. XD XD XD


Well, more importantly, do you trust your GM not to then declare your "weapon/launcher" now subject to disarm/sunder attacks? Do you want to be nicknamed stumpy? OK, as a goblin that might well be a step up. You can of course expect tasteless and interminable jocularity about weapon size categories and such distractions. Do you have a drunken fratboy dominated PFS chapter?


You are surely taking the piss.


I've got two thoughts on this. Other than a dirty trick, I can also see urinating on an opponent being used as intimidation.

The other thought is...can the goblin finish in 6 seconds? Lets assume out goblin just walks around without pants. If he starts urinating, can you really expect him to just stop in a standard action? This sounds suspiciously like it should be a multi-round action.

Silver Crusade

Meirril wrote:

I've got two thoughts on this. Other than a dirty trick, I can also see urinating on an opponent being used as intimidation.

The other thought is...can the goblin finish in 6 seconds? Lets assume out goblin just walks around without pants. If he starts urinating, can you really expect him to just stop in a standard action? This sounds suspiciously like it should be a multi-round action.

You can finish in a standard action by converting the single-target ranged touch attack in a 15ft cone scatter attack.


Peeing on demand; that is DC 25 concentration check. Did you take the trait that removes the -5 stagefright penalty?


I would say that "retrieving a stored item" would be one of the necessary actions (assuming you are not nude; even kilts need to be moved out of the way). then the ranged touch attack (unless you are doing the "extinguish flames" action- that doesn't draw an AoO). Then you have to store the item again.


Having been to parts of the world where PEOPLE take it upon themselves to piss wherever they want, I seriously doubt Goblins ever suffer from "stage fright".

Goblins are like toddlers... they eat their own snot, play with poop, and pee wherever they want. And, they eat, sleep, play, and work in this environment for the duration of their pathetic Goblin lives.

Can the Goblin finish urinating in 6 seconds? Probably not. But it only needs to hit the enemy in the face on command... the rest runs down the gross Goblin legs into a gross Goblin piss puddle.

Can a Goblin urinate on command? Probably better than it can speak Common, bet your ass on it.


Artificial 20 wrote:
You are surely taking the piss.

Would that require Snatch Arrows?


I'd say it depends if the urination is intentional or reactionary.

If intentional to aim at an opponent it would probably be a ranged touch attack as a standard action with a range increment of 5 ft. Really talented goblins could attempt to go for distance at additional range increments.

But it could also be done as a swift action reaction to something done by the opponent. Most likely anything with the [fear] effect. Then the goblin would just urinate in his own square and soil himself.

I suppose you could also give it a third option to just let things flap in the wind. If his privates are exposed, he could urinate as part of a move action as he runs and let it target random squares along his path as splash damage, with a Reflex save to avoid.


Take the Prehensile Whip trait. Lol.


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Dave Justus wrote:
Hopefully this won't involve any real life demonstrations.

Worst LARP ever. . .


when the goblin was young and had no sense
he took a piss on an electric fence
curled his hair and burned his balls
made him s#!+ in his overalls!!


-3 on the limerick for form, meter, and rhyme.

example:

A Girl Named Anheuser
There once was a girl named Anheuser,
who said that no man could surprise her.
But Pabst took a chance,
found the Schlitz in her pants,
and now she is sadder Budweiser.
- listed in Brookston Beer Bulletin

some crass provocation in the thread.
The most similar action is Retrieve an item which is a move action that provokes. The AoO is provoked before a standard|full|CM Dirty trick(standard) action is taken.


Whisperer in Darkness wrote:
-3 on the limerick for form, meter, and rhyme.

awwwee shucks. :-( thats the last time i'm posting on crass threads.


Whisperer in Darkness wrote:
-3 on the limerick for form, meter, and rhyme.

No fair grading it as a limerick when it's clearly a quatrain.


blahpers wrote:
Whisperer in Darkness wrote:
-3 on the limerick for form, meter, and rhyme.
No fair grading it as a limerick when it's clearly a quatrain.

nope, the form posted was AABC by meter or maayyybee AABB by rhyme, see Quatrain. balls(1) to overalls(3)... hmmm.... an extra line of A at the end would have made it a limerick which is where this seemed to be headed, thus a line short. Dats my critique fer tha day.

"Potato?! Potahto!" said she,
"And of course it's tomahto, you see.
But the square of ct
Minus x squared will be
Always something on which we agree." - Physics limericks, D.Morin circa 2004


oh, what the hell;
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.
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There once was a goblin named rex
with a diminutive organ for sex
when jailed for exposure
He pled with composure
De minimis non curat lex
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literal translation:
"The law does not concern itself with trifles"


Gray Warden wrote:
It's equivalent to casting Create Water, so you don't provoke only if you piss defensively.

New Feat!

Coffee-Drinking Diabetic

Benefit: You can cast Create Water as a Quickened Spell without increasing the Spell Level.


I am Nemesis wrote:
Whisperer in Darkness wrote:
-3 on the limerick for form, meter, and rhyme.
awwwee shucks. :-( thats the last time i'm posting on crass threads.

DUDES!

It's not a limerick at all! It's couplets! There's nothing wrong that! It's not heroic couplets--not in iambic pentameter. Admittedly, that would be cooler. But if you can't tell the difference between a limerick and a couplet, you deserve no better, and neither do I just because I conversing with you!


The terrible goblin would slay
His victims in a most awful way:
He'd drop trou on his foes,
Drown them in his woes,
Then gleefully helicopter away!


Scott Wilhelm wrote:

The terrible goblin would slay

His victims in a most awful way:
He'd drop trou on his foes,
Drown them in his woes,
Then gleefully helicopter away!

very funny and stuck with the theme of the thread. A+

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