So....


Second Edition


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So... Some friends who have never played a tabletop RPG are asking me to run a game for them. I'm seriously considering using the playtest rules instead of pathfinder as an easy ruleset to explain; less time explaining, more time playing.


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I'd highly recommend waiting on the final 2e; it's going to be a huge improvement over the playtest.

But if you don't want to wait, I do agree that the playtest is going to take a lot less time to explain and learn than 1e will.


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DM Livgin wrote:
So... Some friends who have never played a tabletop RPG are asking me to run a game for them. I'm seriously considering using the playtest rules instead of pathfinder as an easy ruleset to explain; less time explaining, more time playing.

I'd personally recommend against that, but not because of any feelings on the playtest itself. I find that unlearning is harder than learning. I still occasionally get stuck on ancient 3.5e or even 3.0e rules while playing Pathfinder. With the actual release of PF2 being reasonably close, I'd personally find it hard to relearn slightly different versions of the same general framework. I'd find it easier to play two completely different games, even if one of them isn't Pathfinder. It's easier to compartmentalize different game rules than versions of the same.

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I'm inclined to agree with Anguish. Unlearning things is tricky.


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DM Livgin wrote:
So... Some friends who have never played a tabletop RPG are asking me to run a game for them. I'm seriously considering using the playtest rules instead of pathfinder as an easy ruleset to explain; less time explaining, more time playing.
I'd personally recommend against that, but not because of any feelings on the playtest itself. I find that unlearning is harder than learning. I still occasionally get stuck on ancient 3.5e or even 3.0e rules while playing Pathfinder. With the actual release of PF2 being reasonably close, I'd personally find it hard to relearn slightly different versions of the same general framework. I'd find it easier to play two completely different games, even if one of them isn't Pathfinder. It's easier to compartmentalize different game rules than versions of the same.

Yeah, I think they even mentioned during the playtest that the surveys indicated completely new players were catching on faster than PF1 players.

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Agreed with all of the above. There's also the problem that with the playtest rules you'd have to work between the rulebook and the last update document, which can be pretty annoying.


MaxAstro wrote:

I'd highly recommend waiting on the final 2e; it's going to be a huge improvement over the playtest.

But if you don't want to wait, I do agree that the playtest is going to take a lot less time to explain and learn than 1e will.

I would normally, but they want to play in 8 days...

And when I said game; I should have clarified that as running a single session.


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Joe M. wrote:
Agreed with all of the above. There's also the problem that with the playtest rules you'd have to work between the rulebook and the last update document, which can be pretty annoying.

Ha, I was just going to not give them the rulebook or updates; just a few per-made characters and make up everything I'd forgotten. Again; one session, not a campaign.


Yeah, I could see that working.


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DM Livgin wrote:

I would normally, but they want to play in 8 days...

And when I said game; I should have clarified that as running a single session.

If it's just one session, frankly I'd recommend just doing We Be Goblins or something where the rules are pretty light, self-contained and the players don't need to waste any time generating characters. Improvement or not, PF2 character generation does not take a negligible amount of time, and if all you're doing is one session... why bother?

With something where you can just run simple pregens, it gives them a taste of the style of d20 without needing to get rules-heavy.

But I maintain that running a beta for even one session is... counter-productive at this time.


Or you can use the playtest PFS scenarios, they're fun enough.

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