My point was more that the whole process is a big stew of various biological fluids and if you're not wrapped up in hormones and stimulation it's pretty messy from an outside perspective.
yeap, the ol bumpin uglies
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People who say "itch" when they mean "scratch".
"I itched my nose." No. You didn't. You itched. You therefore scratched your nose. If you insist on persisting in this mangling of the language I will insist on mangling something you hold dear in return.
"I don't have pet peeves; I have major psychotic f&@$^!^& hatreds!" - George Carlin
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When people respond to a gripe with 'first world problems'. I understand that in theory it's supposed to be a reminder to be thankful for what you have (which I am) but in practice it usually just comes across as the speaker being a colossal, condescending ass.
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Moody covers of "Mad World". The contrast between the music and lyrics is one of my favorite things about that song.
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When I post something to the rules forum and explicitly say "This has to be Pathfinder-official rules only, no 3rd party supplements or GM houserules" and I get responses like "Well here's this 3rd party supplement" or "Have your GM houserule it" or "I found this 3x5 card once on the floor of a convention back in '87. It was blotchy with Mountain Dew stains and Cheetos finger prints, but I think it was notes on a rule by some developer for the defunct Chivalry & Sorcery RPG that will allow you to do what you're thinking about."
I like to ask what adventure path we should run, exclude a few on purpose and watch all the recommendations for the few I excluded roll in, either that or they say we should run modules instead.
I just got done reading a thread where a GM was asking for ideas for two of his PCs, giving as an example similar ideas that he's done for the other two PCs in his party. The first two responses weren't ideas for the two PCs he needed ideas for; they were critiques of the two ideas he'd already come up with.
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HRGH!
And the number of threads where somebody's like "Hey, I need suggestions for my [CLASS X]" only to have person after person respond "You should be playing [CLASS Y]." How is that a suggestion?
So. Many Tables. Arms. So. Sore.
People who substitute "O" for "0". When giving out a phone number, for example. And you what annoys me even more? I do it after years of trying to train myself out of it!
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When folks say,"yeah well thats your truth and I have my truth..."
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When folks say,"yeah well thats your truth and I have my truth..."
That is not how truth works.
When parents only ever talk about their kids. Like, I get it, your kid is important, but are there no other facets to your personality besides the fact that you made a miniature version of yourself?
"So, how's it going?"
"Oh, you know. Johnny is great."
"Um, okay. But what about you?"
"Tired. Johnny is a lot of work."
"Oh, okay. Seen any movies lately?"
"Took Johnny to see Cars 4."
"Um, okay. How about video games?"
"I let Johnny play my old Tetris games."
"How about tabletop RPGs?"
"I'm teaching Johnny to play but he keeps trying to eat the dice"
"Um, okay. Well I got this job last week..."
"Johnny wants to be a doctor when he grows up."
"That's nice. Anyway it's at the vet's office."
"Johnny also likes puppies."
"Uh huh, and so I had to put this poor animal down..."
"Hold on, let me show you some photos of Johnny."
"No, thank you. Anyway, it was really traumatic."
"Letting Johnny go to school without me was traumatic. I had to spend a whole half a day thinking about another subject."
"However will you manage?"
"Well, there's always Suzie, my daughter..."
"G#*!@~NIT!"
I don't dislike kids as much as it comes across. I dislike having them be the only subject someone ever talks about. Lately all my friends are 20 or 60+. At least grandparents know when to stop and talk about their medications or control issues.
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All of the idjits who see the direction of PF2 as a personal attack, as if Paizo is doing it specifically to spite said idjits.
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Snow.
When parents only ever talk about their kids. Like, I get it, your kid is important, but are there no other facets to your personality besides the fact that you made a miniature version of yourself?
This is the result of long, hard generations of cultural training and behavioral indoctrination. We, at least in the US, have spent decades teaching people that their own life and personal importance generally capstones and ends when they reproduce, and that the only reason for their continued existence at that point is to provide for the well being and training of the next generation.
It's only when those children are grown and removed from the household and have children of their own that we've trained people to feel as if it's acceptable to start being your own person again rather than (insert child here)'s parent. And that's basically because they're of no further use to the system.
So to answer the question bluntly - no, there aren't. Because our society has spent ages training them to not have other facets to their life until their offspring are grown.
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When parents only ever talk about their kids. Like, I get it, your kid is important, but are there no other facets to your personality besides the fact that you made a miniature version of yourself?This is the result of long, hard generations of cultural training and behavioral indoctrination. We, at least in the US, have spent decades teaching people that their own life and personal importance generally capstones and ends when they reproduce, and that the only reason for their continued existence at that point is to provide for the well being and training of the next generation.
It's only when those children are grown and removed from the household and have children of their own that we've trained people to feel as if it's acceptable to start being your own person again rather than (insert child here)'s parent. And that's basically because they're of no further use to the system.
So to answer the question bluntly - no, there aren't. Because our society has spent ages training them to not have other facets to their life until their offspring are grown.
I dont know about ages, but its certainly true. When overseas I noticed many folks see having a kid as a minor speed bump and hardly ever talk about them. /shrug
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When parents only ever talk about their kids. Like, I get it, your kid is important, but are there no other facets to your personality besides the fact that you made a miniature version of yourself?This is the result of long, hard generations of cultural training and behavioral indoctrination. We, at least in the US, have spent decades teaching people that their own life and personal importance generally capstones and ends when they reproduce, and that the only reason for their continued existence at that point is to provide for the well being and training of the next generation.
It's only when those children are grown and removed from the household and have children of their own that we've trained people to feel as if it's acceptable to start being your own person again rather than (insert child here)'s parent. And that's basically because they're of no further use to the system.
So to answer the question bluntly - no, there aren't. Because our society has spent ages training them to not have other facets to their life until their offspring are grown.
I tend to see it more from moms than dads, which is also a cultural issue still being fought: a dad is expected to have a career outside the home, go "out for a cold one with the boys," and etc...but a mom with a career? Isn't that neglecting her children?
So yeah, if I needed another reason to not have kids...
Kids can be a lot of work. They can be exhausting and they take up a lot of time. For better or worse, parents have to put a lot of their life on hold for their children, including hobbies and friendships.
I'm not trying to justify or vilify the decision to have kids, nor am I trying to lessen VE's gripe about people that only talk about their kids... but I think "kids take a lot of time and energy" is more of a reason for the gripe than any societal mores.
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So to answer the question bluntly - no, there aren't. Because our society has spent ages training them to not have other facets to their life until their offspring are grown.
Also the fact that you have NO time for any other facets in your life. Maybe it gets better when they reach the teens, but I've watched gaming friends have their lives transformed after the kid is born. My friend John was my most consistent player, but after the first kid his free time went to WoW rather than try to match our gaming groups schedule. Cyz and I still went to hang out and watch movies, but it was always understood that the kiddo would be around.
When parents only ever talk about their kids. Like, I get it, your kid is important, but are there no other facets to your personality besides the fact that you made a miniature version of yourself?
"So, how's it going?"
"Oh, you know. Johnny is great."
"Um, okay. But what about you?"
"Tired. Johnny is a lot of work."
"Oh, okay. Seen any movies lately?"
"Took Johnny to see Cars 4."
"Um, okay. How about video games?"
"I let Johnny play my old Tetris games."
"How about tabletop RPGs?"
"I'm teaching Johnny to play but he keeps trying to eat the dice"
You know, I remember one occasion when I was completely guilty of this. I can't explain it. A former co-worker (who, incidentally, was a beautiful woman) briefly came back to the company and happened to strike a conversation with me. She saw I was working on preparing a PFRPG adventure (or maybe it was D&D 3.0?) and asked me what it was about. I should have told her all about RPGs... and I talked on and on about my kids! In the midst of my rambling, she even said to me "I really want to know more about that game" and even after that, I STILL talked on and on about my kids! I mean... what the heck was I thinking?!? It's not as if I'm the most devoted father in the world. I am SO going to RPG hell for failing to sell the game when I had the chance!
(By the way, I am all for the "Well, that's your truth and I have my truth" philosophy. I don't believe that any human being can perceive the complete truth untainted by a his/her prejudices, limited experience, and point of view. I regard anyone who purports to know "the truth" as arrogant. I wince at any sentence that begins "The truth is..." THOSE words are what annoy me.)
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...but are there no other facets to your personality besides the fact that you made a miniature version of yourself?
Calculating... calculating...
Answer: No.
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(By the way, I am all for the "Well, that's your truth and I have my truth" philosophy. I don't believe that any human being can perceive the complete truth untainted by a his/her prejudices, limited experience, and point of view. I regard anyone who purports to know "the truth" as arrogant. I wince at any sentence that begins "The truth is..." THOSE words are what annoy me.)
Philosophical/Religious truths != to Scientific/Factual truths.
Statements like (paraphrased) "they used more force to arrest me than they did on the Bin Laden raid" are objectively not true, and for that arena it makes the idea of "your truth v my truth" go out the window, because there is factual evidence involved.
Now, your version of higher power v my version of higher power? Ok. You have your truth, and I have mine.
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Except we're getting to a point in our society where people are seeing the two as the same, and treating them accordingly.
And going any further down that rabbit hole would inevitably lead to politics,so gonna just leave that there.
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Kids can be a lot of work. They can be exhausting and they take up a lot of time. For better or worse, parents have to put a lot of their life on hold for their children, including hobbies and friendships.
I'm not trying to justify or vilify the decision to have kids, nor am I trying to lessen VE's gripe about people that only talk about their kids... but I think "kids take a lot of time and energy" is more of a reason for the gripe than any societal mores.
I admittedly am rather biased, as someone who is repeatedly and emphatically uninterested in reproducing. I have gotten so, so, so much grief, aggression (passive and otherwise), deliberate dismissal and open hostility for not going along with The System and making little copies of myself, and in the process have had it made quite apparent and clear to me that - at least in my neck of the woods - the society around me is built around and demands a constant succession of offspring, and almost all social structures and basic expectations are built around the assumptions that kids are either already present or imminent.
And I'm a guy. It's ten times worse for women in my situation, as I'm sure we're all aware.
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Kids can be a lot of work. They can be exhausting and they take up a lot of time. For better or worse, parents have to put a lot of their life on hold for their children, including hobbies and friendships.
I'm not trying to justify or vilify the decision to have kids, nor am I trying to lessen VE's gripe about people that only talk about their kids... but I think "kids take a lot of time and energy" is more of a reason for the gripe than any societal mores.
I admittedly am rather biased, as someone who is repeatedly and emphatically uninterested in reproducing. I have gotten so, so, so much grief, aggression (passive and otherwise), deliberate dismissal and open hostility for not going along with The System and making little copies of myself, and in the process have had it made quite apparent and clear to me that - at least in my neck of the woods - the society around me is built around and demands a constant succession of offspring, and almost all social structures and badic expectations are built around the assumptions that kids are either already present or imminent.
And I'm a guy. It's ten times worse for women in my situation, as I'm sure we're all aware.
I read that as "bardic expectations," and, well...bards...
Phone typo, It's been fixed.
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In other news of something that annoys me:
Cold weather accompanying dry weather. My hand just spontaneously started bleeding from dry cracking.
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In other news of something that annoys me:
Cold weather accompanying dry weather. My hand just spontaneously started bleeding from dry cracking.
Oh yeah, I love cool and dry, but cold and dry? That's nosebleed season, when someone sneezes unexpectedly and your wall looks like a crime-scene from Dexter.
"Well, from the splatter pattern, I'd say she was shot from behind..."
I admittedly am rather biased, as someone who is repeatedly and emphatically uninterested in reproducing. I have gotten so, so, so much grief, aggression (passive and otherwise), deliberate dismissal and open hostility for not going along with The System and making little copies of myself, and in the process have had it made quite apparent and clear to me that - at least in my neck of the woods - the society around me is built around and demands a constant succession of offspring, and almost all social structures and basic expectations are built around the assumptions that kids are either already present or imminent.
*solidarity fist bump*
I encountered that mindset when I was younger and wasn't interested in kids. It's probably going to spread as people start fearing fewer citizens.
Bards, amirite?
(By the way, I am all for the "Well, that's your truth and I have my truth" philosophy. I don't believe that any human being can perceive the complete truth untainted by a his/her prejudices, limited experience, and point of view. I regard anyone who purports to know "the truth" as arrogant. I wince at any sentence that begins "The truth is..." THOSE words are what annoy me.)Philosophical/Religious truths != to Scientific/Factual truths.
Statements like (paraphrased) "they used more force to arrest me than they did on the Bin Laden raid" are objectively not true, and for that arena it makes the idea of "your truth v my truth" go out the window, because there is factual evidence involved.
I just heard an NPR snippet yesterday about how people who don't trust science are really (for the most part) not trusting scientists' bias, which is harder to argue against.
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I encountered that mindset when I was younger and wasn't interested in kids. It's probably going to spread as people start fearing fewer citizens.
Bards, amirite?
Thankfully, I'm not associated with groups like that here in Phoenix. So if they are judging me, it's silently.
I just heard an NPR snippet yesterday about how people who don't trust science are really (for the most part) not trusting scientists' bias, which is harder to argue against.
I find it easy to argue against, but then "you are a bloody fool who can't handle the basic requirement for testable evidence" doesn't convince many people.
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I should have qualified it as "effectively argue."
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People who tell me they're sensitive to MSG while munching on Doritos.
I'm at the age where a LOT of people in my group have grandchildren. I am constantly barraged with societal messages telling me I have to encourage my son to find a girl, marry, and get on with having babies. I think kids are cool, but I'm not obsessed with my son having children. My dad came from a family of 15 kids, so there are plenty of others out there continuing my family lineage.
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Both of my siblings are all-in on the parenting train, which is fine by me, and works out pretty well for my parents too. But almost every other person I regularly interact with who is more than ten years my senior seems to think I'm going to eventually have kids of my own and won't take no for an answer until I straight up tell them I'm asexual, at which point I'm in the wrong for taking the conversation into the subject of sex.
As if badgering about when (not if) I'm going to marry and start making babies isn't, somehow.
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I just talk about cannibalism and behavioral psych with a little too much enthusiasm, and suddenly, people don't want me to have kids anymore.
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People who tell me they're sensitive to MSG while munching on Doritos.
In such moments, we need an Ignatz Mouse who pops up to clonk said offender in the noggin with a brick of gluten.
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People who tell me they're sensitive to MSG while munching on Doritos.In such moments, we need an Ignatz Mouse who pops up to clonk said offender in the noggin with a brick of gluten.
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.People who tell me they're sensitive to MSG while munching on Doritos.In such moments, we need an Ignatz Mouse who pops up to clonk said offender in the noggin with a brick of gluten.
Hey! I'm watching you...
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>_>
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Kids are fun!
Having them isn't for everyone and god knows enough people have them that shouldn't but I love being a parent.
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The odds of me ever raising a family are pretty low. An ex-kid myself, I have first-hand experience with the sort of people who god knows have kids but shouldn’t; I wouldn’t want to inflict existence on someone who was doing perfectly fine without unless I was sure that it’d be one heck of a rockin’ existence.
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The fact that it's possible for me to bite the inside of my own cheek.
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Ow. I hate doing that.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with being a parent. I don't want to be one, and I'm annoyed at time that my lack of desire seems to somehow offend the majority of people who have their own, but I see nothing wrong with reproducing. I have said it before in many other threads: if you do have a child, it's the most important thing you will do in your life...but it's not the only thing. If you are an astronaut, that's probably the most important thing you'll do in your life, but the biography of an astronaut includes more than one page that says "she was an astronaut." It includes what lead up to it, what happened after, and how they were different from every other astronaut out there.
As well, I don't really care about the why for people who turn their entire personality into a parent and a parent only upon spawning a child. I know why. And you know what? "Because society says so" isn't a good enough excuse to me for any general behavior. A hundred years ago, society said beating the s+~* out of your wife was acceptable, but that doesn't make it right or even a good excuse. Eh. I digress...
It still annoys the hell out of me. I have had to lose lots of good friends over the last decade and a half, because the minute they popped a child out they simply ceased to be anything but a parent. And as Limey says, there are other cultures where that doesn't happen, and parenting is just one of many aspects of who you are. I have known people to whom this phenomenon did not occur here in the states, but they're few and far between.
Anyway, the thread is things that are weird that annoy you. That annoys me. A lot. It annoys me that it's a thing. It annoys me that everyone makes excuses for it, instead of admitting it's really weird. I know the why of it - and that cultural phenomenon, as well, is annoying.
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I'm annoyed that our primary light source is also our primary source for skin cancer. Seems a bit of a design flaw.
I'm annoyed that it's acceptable to get drunk off your ass from a bottle you grabbed at a convenience store, but if I want to roll up a joint that I have to find some skeevy dude and meet them in a semi-public location until we trust one another, then pretend to be friends with them when we both know I'm just a guy who wants a product, and be paranoid that some cop might be following me.
I'm annoyed that it's easy to nap, but hard to fall asleep at night, and somehow harder to wake up in the morning.
I'm easily annoyed lately. Probably because of that second paragraph. F@#+ing sobriety.
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Sounds like its time for a trip to Denver.