Starfinder Gravity Numbers Question


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Were I to guess, something about not every country using a decimal point like the USA does.

I'm pretty sure you read those as 1.5 and 2.5.


Starship DCs are also written as 1-1/2×tier. Even in the FAQs section.

You're probably right, the metric 1.5 is my preferred, but Paizo preferred fractions to decimals.

The only reasoning I can think for this is setting a precedent that something can't be 0.8× or something, but this is countered by the equipment section frequently using 10%.


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How about first using SI units like most countries in the world? ;)


The 1-1/2 thing is a bit of Paizo signature weirdness.
The same thing was hotly debated in the PF forums a while back.
A bit of a surprise if you don't know what it means, but you get used to it.

And over here at least, it didn't make it through translation anyway.


Nyerkh wrote:

The 1-1/2 thing is a bit of Paizo signature weirdness.

The same thing was hotly debated in the PF forums a while back.
A bit of a surprise if you don't know what it means, but you get used to it.

And over here at least, it didn't make it through translation anyway.

It's very weird and isn't explained at all in the crb, I had to reverse engineer what it meant from a stat block.

At first I was like "isn't 1 minus 1/2 just 1/2?"


It's the way architectural units are presented in the United States.

Such as 1'-1 1/2".

It's 1ft, 1 and half inches.

Except we're not talking distances measurements, but fractions of gravity.

Even Americans who are unfamiliar with the notation can be easily confused by it.


It's made slightly worse because gravity is normally measured in "G"s. 0G and G force are both terms people have heard at least minimally.

1-1/2 is how fractions are written, but without a unit of measurement it does read more as an equation. 1-1/2Gs though also doesn't look quite right.


Isaac Zephyr wrote:

It's made slightly worse because gravity is normally measured in "G"s. 0G and G force are both terms people have heard at least minimally.

1-1/2 is how fractions are written, but without a unit of measurement it does read more as an equation. 1-1/2Gs though also doesn't look quite right.

Well, here's an opinion that is controversial in exactly one part of the world and no where else - we wouldn't have this problem if the book was written in metric.


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Tender Tendrils wrote:
Isaac Zephyr wrote:

It's made slightly worse because gravity is normally measured in "G"s. 0G and G force are both terms people have heard at least minimally.

1-1/2 is how fractions are written, but without a unit of measurement it does read more as an equation. 1-1/2Gs though also doesn't look quite right.

Well, here's an opinion that is controversial in exactly one part of the world and no where else - we wouldn't have this problem if the book was written in metric.

Agreed. I'm Canadian, we do pretty much everything in metric except people's height, weight and shoe sizes for some reason. Probably cause we share a border and a vacation would be problematic pulling out your driver's license for border crossing and having them wonder how much 1.67 meters tall and 56.8 kilograms is.

I still have no idea how Farenheit works. I'm a Celsius person.


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Isaac Zephyr wrote:
Tender Tendrils wrote:
Isaac Zephyr wrote:

It's made slightly worse because gravity is normally measured in "G"s. 0G and G force are both terms people have heard at least minimally.

1-1/2 is how fractions are written, but without a unit of measurement it does read more as an equation. 1-1/2Gs though also doesn't look quite right.

Well, here's an opinion that is controversial in exactly one part of the world and no where else - we wouldn't have this problem if the book was written in metric.

Agreed. I'm Canadian, we do pretty much everything in metric except people's height, weight and shoe sizes for some reason. Probably cause we share a border and a vacation would be problematic pulling out your driver's license for border crossing and having them wonder how much 1.67 meters tall and 56.8 kilograms is.

I still have no idea how Farenheit works. I'm a Celsius person.

I do enjoy when I tell Americans that it is 40 degrees here in Australia and they are like "oh that's not so bad" then I tell them "in Celsius" and their attitude changes to abject horror.


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I guess depending on where they are in America, that temperature might cause a horror reaction. I just call that Summer.


Tender Tendrils wrote:
Isaac Zephyr wrote:

It's made slightly worse because gravity is normally measured in "G"s. 0G and G force are both terms people have heard at least minimally.

1-1/2 is how fractions are written, but without a unit of measurement it does read more as an equation. 1-1/2Gs though also doesn't look quite right.

Well, here's an opinion that is controversial in exactly one part of the world and no where else - we wouldn't have this problem if the book was written in metric.

The problem could still exist. As far as I know metric doesn't stipulate the format in which things are written.

1-1/2m is just as valid as 1.5m or 1 1/2m.


Claxon wrote:
Tender Tendrils wrote:
Isaac Zephyr wrote:

It's made slightly worse because gravity is normally measured in "G"s. 0G and G force are both terms people have heard at least minimally.

1-1/2 is how fractions are written, but without a unit of measurement it does read more as an equation. 1-1/2Gs though also doesn't look quite right.

Well, here's an opinion that is controversial in exactly one part of the world and no where else - we wouldn't have this problem if the book was written in metric.

The problem could still exist. As far as I know metric doesn't stipulate the format in which things are written.

1-1/2m is just as valid as 1.5m.

That's true. The problem isn't metric vs imperial, it's fractions vs decimals. Fractions are still viable in the metric system.

Which loops back to the issue, that without a unit of measurement (in this case Gs or gravity) it can be mistaken for an equation. Even Starship and Computer DCs use 1-1/2 × ship tier, in which case ship tier is the unit of measurement. The book uses spacing like that to make the distinction.

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One reason for it might be that it is a lot easier to spot a missing fraction than a missing decimal point.


Isaac Zephyr wrote:
I still have no idea how Farenheit works. I'm a Celsius person.

For a very rough estimate that works at most temperatures above freezing that people experience, just double °C and add 32, that's the value in °F.

So 40C becomes 112°F. It's actually 104°F, but it gets you a close estimate. The real equation is °F = °C * 1.8 + 32, but it's a lot harder to multiply by 1.8 than to double something.


There are SI units, why does american (and english) people can't simply use the units most parts of the world use, why does they have to be special… :(


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I have never in my life (until now) seen metric fractions written with a - symbol.


Tryn wrote:
There are SI units, why does american (and english) people can't simply use the units most parts of the world use, why does they have to be special… :(

Why do other people think Metric units are so great, why can't they just accept the influence of the US and accept our ways./s

Snarkiness aside, the reason why countries do or don't convert are complicated. Constantly complaining about it doesn't encourage us to convert though.


Meh, in time.
There's all of three countries not doing metric left, and even the US is supposed to have it as the preferred system.
It just happens to be left to a voluntary, if encouraged, change. And people don't like change, even good one.
Besides everything that actually matters is using metric even there, daily and internal stuff is all that's left.
It will happen eventually.


Nyerkh wrote:

Meh, in time.

There's all of three countries not doing metric left, and even the US is supposed to have it as the preferred system.
It just happens to be left to a voluntary, if encouraged, change. And people don't like change, even good one.
Besides everything that actually matters is using metric even there, daily and internal stuff is all that's left.
It will happen eventually.

Eh...I'm not sure what you're talking about with your statement of "stuff that matters". Most of the "stuff that matters" that isn't scientific research uses doesn't use metric units.

For instance, I design conveyors for the major shipping companies in the USA. I'll give you one guess which units I use on a daily basis.


I meant what mattered for us "0utsiders". That was very badly worded, wasn't it ? My bad. Heat's hindering my brains apparently.

Hence the comment after, stating that domestic (... forgot that was a word) stuff was most of what's left to old unit system. Anything international has adapted, more or less. Too costly not to. Too many precedents.
Besides, I believe si's already there in some domains even domestically, like medicine. Ye olde cubic centimeter is not a US unit, nor an imperial one.


It's basically only in places where scientific interest/accuracy are a concern, in my experience. Though my degree as a engineer and experience before working in the conveyor industry may affect that notion greatly. There are exceptions, but on a daily basis I would wager that most Americans have very little interaction with the metric system. Perhaps the only common interaction is the 2 liter bottle of soda. Though personally I believe most people don't really think about the unit, they just know it's an item of approximately "this size". If you asked them to estimate the volume of one can of soda relative to one 2 liter bottle I doubt most could do it. But one can of soda is roughly about 1/6 of a 2 L, because it's 355ml. Further if you asked them to convert from one gallon to one liter, they would have absolutely no idea.


Claxon wrote:
Further if you asked them to convert from one gallon to one liter, they would have absolutely no idea.

Canadian, so maybe I don't count, but I always equate a gallon to about 4 liters because of milk. The gallon jugs in the states are labeled 4L in Canada, but they are the same container.


Sorry, but I don't count Canadians as Americans ;)


Claxon isn't wrong, the majority of manufacturing and engineering don't sue the metric system. I've got a friend who does aerospace fabrication, and another friend who builds submarines. Both of them work with tolerances measured in 32nds of an inch.

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