Can a spell castor make a wand of allchemical allocation if he is not an allchemist?


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Shadow Lodge

According to the rules off the top of my mind for crafting, you can increase the DC to make the wand of allchemical allocation at +5 higher if the spell in question is not on the spell list of the crafter.

According to the advanced players guide faq, allchemists are not spell castors even though an extracts effects work like a spell.

This is a little confusing, can a wizard or the like make a wand of allchemical allocation or not?

Please explain a little more than a 'yes' or 'no'.


ShadowDax wrote:
According to the rules off the top of my mind for crafting, you can increase the DC to make the wand of allchemical allocation at +5 higher if the spell in question is not on the spell list of the crafter.

While that is true for spell requirements for most items, wands are an exception.

Note that all items have prerequisites in their descriptions. These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created. Most of the time, they take the form of spells that must be known by the item's creator (although access through another magic item or spellcaster is allowed). The DC to create a magic item increases by +5 for each prerequisite the caster does not meet. The only exception to this is the requisite item creation feat, which is mandatory. In addition, you cannot create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items without meeting their spell prerequisites.

So either the wand crafter or someone helping them must supply alchemical allocation, you cannot skip it by raising the DC. A wizard with Craft Wand and an alchemist working together (or a multi-classed wizard/alchemist) should be able to manage. (The pure alchemist cannot get the Craft Wand feat themselves since they are, as you noted, not technically a caster.)

Hope that clears things up.


No, they cannot;

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The only exception to this is the requisite item creation feat, which is mandatory. In addition, you cannot create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items without meeting its prerequisites.

Wands are spell-trigger items; you have to have the spell that is contained within.


They really shouldn't have said "the only exception" and then followed it up with more exceptions, but them's the breaks.


More specifically, I don't think weepy can make a wand of extracts any more than you could make a wand of potions.


You can get Craft Wand as an Alchemist through the Spell Knowledge discovery, since that gives you a caster level.


The point is that craft wand lets you create a wand of any 4th level or lower spell you know.

Alchemical Allocation is not a spell - its an extract. As the FAQ states, alchemists are not spellcasters. The elixirs they make are not spells.

"Although the alchemist doesn't actually cast spells.. he does have a formulae list...."

Craft wand lets you creat a wand of any 4th level *spell* you know.


Brew Potion and the Promethean Disciple discovery sets the precedent for how the Alchemist works vis-à-vis spell requirements. Don't start the old "Alchemists aren't casters, but yeah, they're casters" and "extracts aren't spells, but yeah, they're spells" shit up again.

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