Borais Ysoki

[VampByDay]

So . . . from the pact worlds, Borais can be (mostly) dead ysoki. . . buuuut they are also medium sized. Should Borais change its size to be 'same as base creature' or do Ysoki grow to be five feet tall when they become Borais?

[baggageboy]

Lots of things about Borais don't really make sense, like how an android Borrais has to start breathing when they never did in life.

[pithica42]

I like the idea of what they were going for, here. But so far, that page is my least favorite in the book. It just feels 'weird' to me. I'm hoping Corpsefolk will give me the undead PC race I've been craving.

[VampByDay]

baggageboy wrote:

Lots of things about Borais don't really make sense, like how an android Borrais has to start breathing when they never did in life.

Lol, I didn't think about that. I mean the easy fix is that Android Borais get the 'Constructed' trait instead of the upgrade slot (IMO it's easier to justify necromatic decay gunking up your upgrade slot over suddenly needing to breathe.) Or just say that Androids can't become Borais (something something constructed and necromancy don't something something quantum.)

[Shukkaro]

Honestly the more I think about the Borai the more they don't make sense. Their Raw is really dodgy especially with the ysoki and androids. Plus they're not really undead. They seem to balk at the concept despite the book giving us SROs. Their lore goes really only into how they just don't fit in /dad/. And how hiding their nature is seen as a betrayal. Despite for all intents and purposes they're still "alive" and the shapeshifting starfish guys were added who try to blend into society don't have anything like that in their description.
I really do like the concept behind them but yeah. Their page is a bit of a mess

[Ravingdork]

Shukkaro wrote:

Plus they're not really undead.

Yes they are. It says so right there in their Type.

(But I know what you mean.)

[Metaphysician]

Honestly, I'd be inclined to just go with "If your former race has abilities that logically contradict with the stat sheet for Borai, you can't become Borai". Since, bluntly, you shouldn't be getting bonus abilities for one particular origin, but not another.

Or, at least, "Yes, someone of this species can become a Borai, and it has weird effects. No, you may not make one as your PC". Remember, that is *always* an option. Just because a player wants to play a given character, doesn't mean the GM is required to allow it.

[Adyton]

Ravingdork wrote:

Shukkaro wrote:

Plus they're not really undead.

Yes they are. It says so right there in their Type.

(But I know what you mean.)

The borais remind me of the dhampirs from Pathfinder 1, the half-undead Special Subtype from the Advanced Race Guide and the revenant from the films and comics "The Crow" : that is to say a half-undead more alive than dead. But due to the fact that a borai can be an ancient android and the fact that borais mostly live on Eox, a Borai should not need to breathe, nor fear radiation or other environmental effects.

There are several cases in Pathfinder 1 where switching a race from Medium to Small poses no problem. Like the aasimars halflings (Blood of Angels) or the tieflings gnomes (Blood of the Fiends).