Watcher |
Please ignore all the political threads. I know this is going to draw the ire of some, but it is now getting ridiculous as the edition wars. Open, honest debate is one thing, but outright hating someone for their opinion is another.
We come here for friendship, our love of Pathfinder, being part of FaWTL and the occasional Hungry Jack recipe. Please let it remain so.
No ire. Just +1.
Lord Fyre RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32 |
You know what is getting ridiculous? People saying what sort of debates we should or shouldn't have on the off topic forums. If you don't like the politics threads, don't click on them.
I have a feeling that this topic could start a Flame War.
Remember what started the "Forums Are Way To Long" threads.
Urizen |
Freehold DM wrote:Yes, because it's the only way to spike it.David Fryer wrote:DAMMIT DAVID! Must you always beat me to the punch? :-)Urizen wrote:** spoiler omitted **Without religious, political, and edition war debates, what will we do?
Well, let me scrounge up some dollar bills and some crazy drow and jacks.
The Thing from Beyond the Edge |
Mac Boyce wrote:No ire. Just +1.Please ignore all the political threads. I know this is going to draw the ire of some, but it is now getting ridiculous as the edition wars. Open, honest debate is one thing, but outright hating someone for their opinion is another.
We come here for friendship, our love of Pathfinder, being part of FaWTL and the occasional Hungry Jack recipe. Please let it remain so.
What if people have fun in such debates and like to enter such debates with people they things in common with such as roleplaying games?
Is it true that people go off the deep end? Yes. But, why should you take it upon yopurself to tell others to boycott it when they might find something they wish to discuss from time to time if they do not?
It appears that you are telling those who wish to discuss such things that they are unwanted. You are making a grand "we" statement as if it is to the exclusion of other likes and dislikes.
Before going out of town for Christmas I started a discussion thread which people deliberately spammed the hell out of so that there would be no discussion. My original desire was to tell everyone of the b~#!$es to go f@&% themselves. However, I did not.
This does not change the fact that the deliberate burying of a discussion I sought to start was completely disrespectful. Just because some would not wish to discuss it does not mean others would not. I sure as hell do not think that those who spammed the hell out of my thread were thinking of my friendship when they did it.
So, pardon me if I find the seeking of friendship line lacking in substance.
Sebastian Bella Sara Charter Superscriber |
Before going out of town for Christmas I started a discussion thread which people deliberately spammed the hell out of so that there would be no discussion. My original desire was to tell everyone of the b%#%%es to go f&@& themselves. However, I did not.This does not change the fact that the deliberate burying of a discussion I sought to start was completely disrespectful. Just because some would not wish to discuss it does not mean others would not. I sure as hell do not think that those who spammed the hell out of my thread were thinking of my friendship when they did it.
That was my good deed for Christmas!
The Thing from Beyond the Edge |
The Thing from Beyond the Edge wrote:That was my good deed for Christmas!
Before going out of town for Christmas I started a discussion thread which people deliberately spammed the hell out of so that there would be no discussion. My original desire was to tell everyone of the b%#%%es to go f&@& themselves. However, I did not.This does not change the fact that the deliberate burying of a discussion I sought to start was completely disrespectful. Just because some would not wish to discuss it does not mean others would not. I sure as hell do not think that those who spammed the hell out of my thread were thinking of my friendship when they did it.
And again, I say you were being completely disrespectful to those who may hawished to discuss such things (myself included as I started the thread) and did not have my friendship in mind when doing so. Further, you were one of many who did so.
This response only strengthens my point that friendship (except with maybe a select few) is not really the idea here.
Watcher |
What if people have fun in such debates and like to enter such debates with people they things in common with such as roleplaying games?
Err. Aaaah.
You quoted me, but I'm not sure if you're talking to me or Mac Boyce?
::shrug::
Then I guess those people should click on those political threads and have a good time? I dunno. :D
I guess I'm reading a lot of fury in your post, and I'm bewildered. Just to clarify, I didn't say that they should be banned. I suppose my little "+1" was to suggest that if those sort of threads cause you not to have a good time, don't click on them?
I'm sorry?
Urizen |
On a serious note, there's no harm in the occassional religious or political topic as long as it remains civil. However, it seems that civility can only last for so long or the OTDs just become so oversaturated with said topics that some people are concerned that it becomes fracturing with regard to their relationship with fellow gamers.
I think there's a lot of cool people on here that I wouldn't have much problems with picking up a game or a beverage if the opportunity ever presents itself. So, if I can get along with the conservative prebysterian, the left wing satanist, and the long haired hippy vegetarians w/o having to be drawn into their hot button issues, then the more the merrier. At least that's my optimistic view.
But those Hero gamers, can't trust those guys. :P
Sebastian Bella Sara Charter Superscriber |
And again, I say you were being completely disrespectful to those who may hawished to discuss such things (myself included as I started the thread) and did not have my friendship in mind when doing so. Further, you were one of many who did so.
This response only strengthens my point that friendship (except with maybe a select few) is not really the idea here.
And yet, we didn't spam out the other recent politics threads.
Huh.
Maybe, just maybe, there was a difference between your politics threads and the others.
Hint: yours was trollish flamebait, not an invitation for discussion. You weren't inviting respectful discussion, and I'd say what you got was better than what you deserved.
The Thing from Beyond the Edge |
The Thing from Beyond the Edge wrote:What if people have fun in such debates and like to enter such debates with people they things in common with such as roleplaying games?
Err. Aaaah.
You quoted me, but I'm not sure if you're talking to me or Mac Boyce?
::shrug::
Then I guess those people should click on those political threads and have a good time? I dunno. :D
I guess I'm reading a lot of fury in your post, and I'm bewildered. Just to clarify, I didn't say that they should be banned. I suppose my little "+1" was to suggest that if those sort of threads cause you not to have a good time, don't click on them?
I'm sorry?
I was referring to both because you added a +1 which has always been indicative of agreement with the points of a post. What applies to the original post would also aplly to your post.
My point was that it seemed to be a call for the forum goers as a group to boycott such threads rather than only those who are not interested. Otherwise it appears the post would be saying post in those threads if it interests you and do not post in those threads if it does not interest you. There is no reason to make a thread to say JUST that.
When combined with deliberate spamming of threads with the intent of not letting a discussion occur (such as stating that the thread is flame bait, saying it will not be taken, and then following with spam...) it gives the impression that there is more than simply "I guess those people should click on those political threads and have a good time?"
Also, posters have deliberately gone to the trouble of mass bumping of other threads to push these threads down to the bottom of the page and out of site. That is more than just not clicking on a thread.
Watcher |
Sorry. You are not the villian. I am for having the gall to ask people to get along.
Feel free to blast me for that one as well.
Don't worry about it. Despite what anybody else might say, I recognize the good intention.
The point being, some people like those threads.. and some people get in those threads and patently don't have a good time.
Sometimes it's not a matter of banning threads or calling for them to be ignored, but counseling people to know their own limitations. For example: I'm pretty sparing in the political threads because I know at some point I'm gonna take it too seriously. That in of itself is no crime, but hangin' around after you've gotten frustrated doesn't do you any good.
The writer has a responsibility, but sometimes the reader does too.
Don't take it too hard.
The Thing from Beyond the Edge |
Watcher wrote:I see. The original poster deleted his post and left me holding the bag.
::rolls eyes::
I'm gonna see if I can delete mine then. Sheesh.
Sorry. You are not the villian. I am for having the gall to ask people to get along.
Feel free to blast me for that one as well.
You did more than ask people to get along. You asked the forum to boycott things that people wished to discuss.
Watcher |
I was referring to both because you added a +1 which has always been indicative of agreement with the points of a post. What applies to the original post would also aplly to your post.
Well sure, guilty on all counts I suppose. I posted quickly and didn't put a lot of thought into it. I suppose I should have. Sorry again?
After I thought about it I reconsidered my position, and explained it to Mac Boyce in a post above this one.
You've got to give people the chance to listen to your point and maybe change their mind. You took a position, and I listened to it. I came to think that you had a point. You won. Congratulations. :D I'm not even being sarcastic.
The Thing from Beyond the Edge |
The Thing from Beyond the Edge wrote:I was referring to both because you added a +1 which has always been indicative of agreement with the points of a post. What applies to the original post would also aplly to your post.Well sure, guilty on all counts I suppose. I posted quickly and didn't put a lot of thought into it. I suppose I should have. Sorry again?
After I thought about I reconsidered my position, and explained it to Mac Boyce in a post above this one.
You've got to give people the chance to listen to your point and maybe change their mind. You took a position, and I listened to it. I came to think that you had a point. You won. Congratulations. :D I'm not even being sarcastic.
Fair enough and with respect.
My ire is currently at Sebastian.Mr.Fishy |
Mr. Fishy has plenty of friends and they don't like Mr. Fishy either. The forum is a place where a fish can be a fish hole and not worrying about pissing off any one he actually likes. Nothing personal, but Mr. Fishy speaks in the third person because Mr. Fishy is a CARTOON FISH!!! Not a real person if Mr. Fishy makes you mad good, services you right, because Mr. Fishy is a flipping CARTOON FISH!!! If your easily offend then the internet is a bad place to hang out. Because no one knows you or cares about your feelings. Sebastian has a horse for his Avatar when Horse Boy post Mr. Fishy replies to the Horse, not the person unless Sebastian really is a horse in which case...umm my bad.
Maybe Mr. Fishy is a bad person but he likes to argue. The flames keep a fishy warm.
Callous Jack |
I would love to see political threads banned outright. They are pointless, just opportunities for people to get on their soapboxes about how high and mighty their party of choice is and how evil and insidious the other side is. It further degrades to a pissing contest with both sides posting links and a million quote rebuttals while trying to out-snark the other.
Yeah, that's a great addition for any forum to have...