lets say that your main class is Bloodrager, with 5 levels, and you take a 2 level dip into Magus for the spell strike ability. the wording is as such:
Spellstrike (Su):At 2nd level, whenever a magus casts a spell with a range of “touch” from the magus spell list, he can deliver the spell through any weapon he is wielding as part of a melee attack. Instead of the free melee touch attack normally allowed to deliver the spell, a magus can make one free melee attack with his weapon (at his highest base attack bonus) as part of casting this spell.
Shocking Grasp is available on both Magus and Bloodrager spell lists.
So my question is, Since the wording only asks that you are casting a spell that is from Magus spell list, and not asking you to use a Magus prepared spell slot. Are you able to cast a bloodrager CL 5 Shocking Grasp, while using the Spellstrike ability that you multi-classed for in the first place?
I know that Magus can have the Broad Study Magus Arcana, that allows them to use spell strike with spell from other lists, this is not the question. Since the spell is on both lists, It's on the magus spell list for purpose of meeting the requirements for spell strike as per described.
I wouldn't allow it. The Broad Study Arcana is there specifically for this situation.
I get what you're trying to argue, that the spell in question is on BOTH lists, but the point is when an ability references a spell list, it generally means "You have to cast it from that list".
If you play Magic: The Gathering, it's the same scenario when a card mentions itself by name and you happen to have another card with the same name, the original card cannot use its ability that references the card name on the second card.
I wouldn't allow it. The Broad Study Arcana is there specifically for this situation.
I get what you're trying to argue, that the spell in question is on BOTH lists, but the point is when an ability references a spell list, it generally means "You have to cast it from that list".
If you play Magic: The Gathering, it's the same scenario when a card mentions itself by name and you happen to have another card with the same name, the original card cannot use its ability that references the card name on the second card.
The broady study arcana is more so for lists that would not cross over in spells.
Consider how spell list work though. Classes are divided by spells that they are familiar too, so it makes sense to be able to cast those in restrictive ways based on class.
You learn those spells and train with them to cast in ways that your class knows how to do, so why would casting the same spell with another class CL effect it at all if it's already one familiar to your class?
I think most local to me would allow it.
We tend not to take "You may do X" feats and powers as evidence against others having similar capacity. Until the feat enters the game, in some cases until the splatbook is published, people could do things, so they can still do things, even if an arcana, or feat, or Gnomish ability to threaten with illusions, now suggests that the rest of the world is not so exalted.
Your mileage (we used to count mileage to Lake Geneva...) may vary.
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I suggest you to read all the FAQ related to the magus, there are several important clarifications. In particular there is this one about your question:
Magus, Spell Combat: What spells can I cast when using spell combat?
The relevant text of the ability is:
"As a full-round action, he can make all of his attacks with his melee weapon at a –2 penalty and can also cast any spell from the magus spell list with a casting time of 1 standard action (any attack roll made as part of this spell also takes this penalty)."
The spell you cast when using spell combat has to be a magus spell you know, and it must be a magus spell prepared with one of your magus spell slots.
(Other magus abilities may modify what spells can be used with spell combat. For example, the broad study magus arcana explicitly states the magus can use spell combat to cast spells from the selected non-magus spellcasting class.)
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While it is about spell combat and not spellstrike, they use the same language: spell combat "can also cast any spell from the magus spell list", spellstrike " a spell with a range of “touch” from the magus spell list", so they should apply the same limitations.