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Here is the idea; below is a list of quotes from philosophers or about morals, go through them and apply to each an alignment that you think is reflected by that quote.
Then read the replies of others to see how others view the alignments.
Put your responses in spoilers so not to prime the other replies. All my replies are only related to the specific quotes, not their larger bodies of work. I know some of these quote miss-represent the arguments they were attempting to make.
“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” ― Mahatma Gandhi
“The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” ― Elie Wiesel
“May you live every day of your life.” ― Jonathan Swift
“Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is.” ― Albert Camus
“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” ― William Shakespeare
“Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.” ― Isaac Asimov
“Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.” ― Voltaire
“Nanny's philosophy of life was to do what seemed like a good idea at the time, and do it as hard as possible. It had never let her down.” ― Terry Pratchett
"The ends justify the means." – Niccolò Machiavelli
“The life of man (in a state of nature) is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” – Thomas Hobbes
“One cannot step twice in the same river” – Heraclitus
“The greatest happiness of the greatest number is the foundation of morals and legislation” – Jeremy Bentham
“Liberty consists in doing what one desires” – John Stuart Mill
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance” – Socrates
“He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god” – Aristotle
“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” - ?
“I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong” – Bertrand Russell
“Morality is not the doctrine of how we may make ourselves happy, but of how we may make ourselves worthy of happiness” – Immanuel Kant
“I don’t know why we are here, but I’m pretty sure it is not in order to enjoy ourselves” – Ludwig Wittgenstein
“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest” – Denis Diderot
“Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it” – Karl Marx
“Virtue is nothing else than right reason” – Seneca the Younger
“Good and evil, reward and punishment, are the only motives to a rational creature” – John Locke
“Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.”― Immanuel Kant
LG “Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” ― Mahatma Gandhi
N “The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” ― Elie Wiesel
CN “May you live every day of your life.” ― Jonathan Swift
CN “Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is.” ― Albert Camus
NE “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” ― William Shakespeare
CG “Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.” ― Isaac Asimov
NG “Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.” ― Voltaire
CG “Nanny's philosophy of life was to do what seemed like a good idea at the time, and do it as hard as possible. It had never let her down.” ― Terry Pratchett
LE "The ends justify the means." – Niccolò Machiavelli
CE “The life of man (in a state of nature) is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” – Thomas Hobbes
CN “One cannot step twice in the same river” – Heraclitus
LG “The greatest happiness of the greatest number is the foundation of morals and legislation” – Jeremy Bentham
CN “Liberty consists in doing what one desires” – John Stuart Mill
LN “There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance” – Socrates
LN “He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god” – Aristotle
CN “You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato
NG “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” - ?
CE “I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong” – Bertrand Russell
LN “Morality is not the doctrine of how we may make ourselves happy, but of how we may make ourselves worthy of happiness” – Immanuel Kant
N “I don’t know why we are here, but I’m pretty sure it is not in order to enjoy ourselves” – Ludwig Wittgenstein
CN “Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest” – Denis Diderot
CG “Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it” – Karl Marx
LN “Virtue is nothing else than right reason” – Seneca the Younger
LG “Good and evil, reward and punishment, are the only motives to a rational creature” – John Locke
G “Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.”― Immanuel Kant
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Neato. I can get behind this.
Chaotic Good -- “Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” ― Mahatma Gandhi
Neutral Good -- “The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” ― Elie Wiesel
Chaotic Neutral -- “May you live every day of your life.” ― Jonathan Swift
Neutral Evil -- “Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is.” ― Albert Camus
True Neutral -- “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” ― William Shakespeare
Neutral Good -- “Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.” ― Isaac Asimov
Lawful Evil -- “Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.” ― Voltaire
Chaotic Neutral -- “Nanny's philosophy of life was to do what seemed like a good idea at the time, and do it as hard as possible. It had never let her down.” ― Terry Pratchett
Lawful Evil -- "The ends justify the means." – Niccolò Machiavelli
Chaotic Evil -- “The life of man (in a state of nature) is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” – Thomas Hobbes
Chaotic Neutral -- “One cannot step twice in the same river” – Heraclitus
Lawful Good -- “The greatest happiness of the greatest number is the foundation of morals and legislation” – Jeremy Bentham
Chaotic Neutral -- “Liberty consists in doing what one desires” – John Stuart Mill
Lawful Neutral -- “There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance” – Socrates
Chaotic Evil -- “He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god” – Aristotle
Lawful Neutral -- “You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato
Neutral Good -- “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” - ?
True Neutral -- “I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong” – Bertrand Russell
Lawful Good -- “Morality is not the doctrine of how we may make ourselves happy, but of how we may make ourselves worthy of happiness” – Immanuel Kant
True Neutral -- “I don’t know why we are here, but I’m pretty sure it is not in order to enjoy ourselves” – Ludwig Wittgenstein
Chaotic Neutral -- “Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest” – Denis Diderot
Chaotic Neutral -- “Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it” – Karl Marx
Lawful Neutral -- “Virtue is nothing else than right reason” – Seneca the Younger
Neutral Evil -- “Good and evil, reward and punishment, are the only motives to a rational creature” – John Locke
Lawful Good -- “Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.”― Immanuel Kant
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Gunna try and rapid-fire these without looking at any other responses first:
“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” ― Mahatma Gandhi
It really depends on what change you want to see in the world, now doesn't it? Could reflect any alignment.
“The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” ― Elie Wiesel
Doesn't seem to reflect alignment.
“May you live every day of your life.” ― Jonathan Swift
Doesn't seem to reflect alignment.
“Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is.” ― Albert Camus
Chaotic
“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” ― William Shakespeare
I want to say True Neutral, but I could really see this one being all over the map depending on how you interpret it.
“Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.” ― Isaac Asimov
Gunna sound weird... but either Chaotic Good or Lawful Evil. The quote seems to exactly hit on intersectional conflict between law/chaos and good/evil, but is ambiguous as to which side it presupposes is right.
“Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.” ― Voltaire
Chaotic Good
“Nanny's philosophy of life was to do what seemed like a good idea at the time, and do it as hard as possible. It had never let her down.” ― Terry Pratchett
Chaotic Neutral
"The ends justify the means." – Niccolò Machiavelli
Neutral Evil just called. They're suing you for trademark infringement.
“The life of man (in a state of nature) is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” – Thomas Hobbes
Lawful Neutral
“One cannot step twice in the same river” – Heraclitus
Not sure the context of this one; don't see how it applies to alignment
“The greatest happiness of the greatest number is the foundation of morals and legislation” – Jeremy Bentham
Lawful Good
“Liberty consists in doing what one desires” – John Stuart Mill
Chaotic Neutral
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance” – Socrates
Lawful Neutral
“He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god” – Aristotle
Doesn't seem to reflect alignment.
“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato
Doesn't seem to reflect alignment.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” - ?
Doesn't seem to reflect alignment. (While the phrase may imply the speaker is good, it doesn't mean they are. An evil individual can still believe themselves to be good)
“I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong” – Bertrand Russell
Non-lawful
“Morality is not the doctrine of how we may make ourselves happy, but of how we may make ourselves worthy of happiness” – Immanuel Kant
Lawful
“I don’t know why we are here, but I’m pretty sure it is not in order to enjoy ourselves” – Ludwig Wittgenstein
Lawful
“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest” – Denis Diderot
Chaotic Neutral
“Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it” – Karl Marx
Same as the Ghandi quote; depends on what change you're looking for.
“Virtue is nothing else than right reason” – Seneca the Younger
Lawful Neutral
“Good and evil, reward and punishment, are the only motives to a rational creature” – John Locke
Lawful
“Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.”
Neutral Good
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Ooh this sounds like a very interesting idea.
Probs by the way for selecting significantly more than nine quotes by the way.
“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” ― Mahatma Gandhi
Could be any alignment, as long as it is in their active variants rather than their passive variants.
“The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” ― Elie Wiesel
Again equally aplicable to any alignment.
“May you live every day of your life.” ― Jonathan Swift
Chaotic good or Neutral
“Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is.” ― Albert Camus
Any, depending on what they say that ”man” is, and whether they think that it is a good or a bad thing.
“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” ― William Shakespeare
Lawful neutral to evil.
“Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.” ― Isaac Asimov
Chaotic Good or Lawful evil.
“Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.” ― Voltaire
Lawful but not strongly so.
“Nanny's philosophy of life was to do what seemed like a good idea at the time, and do it as hard as possible. It had never let her down.” ― Terry Pratchett
Definitively Chaotic but Good, Neutral or Evil depends on what sort of thing seems like good ideas to the believer.
"The ends justify the means." – Niccolò Machiavelli
Lawful evil, Neutral Evil or any of the Neutrals, through the end closer to evil than not.
Non-evil can subscribe to similar ideas but the sympethatic Evils embody it
“The life of man (in a state of nature) is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” – Thomas Hobbes
Depends entirely on whether they see this as a good thing or not. Druidic Neutral Evil, or any cynical Lawful from good to evil are the classic answers.
“One cannot step twice in the same river” – Heraclitus
Any.
“The greatest happiness of the greatest number is the foundation of morals and legislation” – Jeremy Bentham
Communal Lawful good – as opposed to code based lawful good.
“Liberty consists in doing what one desires” – John Stuart Mill
Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Evil.
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance” – Socrates
If we ignore that Socrates mean that you won't do evil if you truly know what you are doing?
Neutral Evil. If we include the context then Neutral Good.
“He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god” – Aristotle
Lawful Neutral
“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato
Philosophy of Sense Motive, no strong alignment implications.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” - ?
Any Good.
“I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong” – Bertrand Russell
Any Neutral, or Evil. More non-Lawful than Lawful.
“Morality is not the doctrine of how we may make ourselves happy, but of how we may make ourselves worthy of happiness” – Immanuel Kant
A stern Lawful Good - ”ourselves” is the key word keeping it from neutral or evil.
“I don’t know why we are here, but I’m pretty sure it is not in order to enjoy ourselves” – Ludwig Wittgenstein
Any non-chaotic
“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest” – Denis Diderot
Chaotic Neutral at best, easily slips into Evil like any fanatic.
“Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it” – Karl Marx
Any Alignment again active rather than passive variants.
“Virtue is nothing else than right reason” – Seneca the Younger
Neutral to Lawful Good (implicit assumption that all people that reasons well will chose to do good). Alternatively any intellectual Evil (implicit assumption that good and evil doesn't exist and reason should therefore be judged only on it's competence).
“Good and evil, reward and punishment, are the only motives to a rational creature” – John Locke
Lawful Neutral
“Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.”― Immanuel Kant
Good with a capital G. Expressed in a lawful manner but the underlying ideal can be found in any of the good alignments.
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CG “Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” ― Mahatma Gandhi
N “The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” ― Elie Wiesel
CN “May you live every day of your life.” ― Jonathan Swift
N/CN “Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is.” ― Albert Camus
N “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” ― William Shakespeare
NG “Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.” ― Isaac Asimov
NG “Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.” ― Voltaire
CN “Nanny's philosophy of life was to do what seemed like a good idea at the time, and do it as hard as possible. It had never let her down.” ― Terry Pratchett
LE "The ends justify the means." – Niccolò Machiavelli
LN/E “The life of man (in a state of nature) is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” – Thomas Hobbes
CN “One cannot step twice in the same river” – Heraclitus
LG “The greatest happiness of the greatest number is the foundation of morals and legislation” – Jeremy Bentham
CN “Liberty consists in doing what one desires” – John Stuart Mill
N “There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance” – Socrates
LN “He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god” – Aristotle
N/CN “You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato
NG “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” - Burke, iirc
CN “I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong” – Bertrand Russell
NG “Morality is not the doctrine of how we may make ourselves happy, but of how we may make ourselves worthy of happiness” – Immanuel Kant
N “I don’t know why we are here, but I’m pretty sure it is not in order to enjoy ourselves” – Ludwig Wittgenstein
CN/E “Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest” – Denis Diderot
CN/G “Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it” – Karl Marx
LG “Virtue is nothing else than right reason” – Seneca the Younger
LG “Good and evil, reward and punishment, are the only motives to a rational creature” – John Locke
NG “Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.”― Immanuel Kant
Some of these are certainly out of context with the broader philosophies espoused by the authors, and merit some debate. The Hobbes quote in particular. I've equivocated on a few points.
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I find it interesting that everyone but me so far has almost reflexively assigned this quote to good:
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”
I think the direct appeal to good and evil is somewhat deceptive here, as the quote itself does not indicate what the speaker believes to be good or evil. It's very easy to see this statement being twisted to support knights templar-like extremism. In that light I feel it could skew towards any alignment.
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I find it interesting that everyone but me so far has almost reflexively assigned this quote to good:
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”
I think the direct appeal to good and evil is somewhat deceptive here, as the quote itself does not indicate what the speaker believes to be good or evil. It's very easy to see this statement being twisted to support knights templar-like extremism. In that light I feel it could skew towards any alignment.
While I cannot speak for anyone else, I didn't assign the above quote to Good reflexively.
Rather I placed it there because I feel one of the key differences between good and neutral lies not in what they would wish to happen to other people but rather in how much of their own comfort they are willing to lose for the sake of a stranger.While it could be twisted into extremism by a deluded evil, so could most if not all, philosophical underpinnings of good, and I don't feel that this quote has such a special danger of this that it should be taken as representing it.
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Slightly Chaotic, but could essentially be any alignment as it more of a personal call to action. - “Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” ― Mahatma Gandhi
I can't really place this, but if I had to Neutral - "The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” ― Elie Wiesel
Goodish, probably mostly NG - “May you live every day of your life.” ― Jonathan Swift
Firmly Neutral, maybe slightly Chaotic, but a fundamentally important insight - “Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is.” ― Albert Camus
Neutral, its a callout to the lack of a judge other then ourselves - “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” ― William Shakespeare
Chaotic Good or maybe Chaotic Neutral, if you only have to really shitty options, you often still have to pick one - “Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.” ― Isaac Asimov
Lawful Neutral, it reminds us that we are both the beneficiaries and prisoners of the thinking of our times - “Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.” ― Voltaire
Chaotic, could go any which way though - “Nanny's philosophy of life was to do what seemed like a good idea at the time, and do it as hard as possible. It had never let her down.” ― Terry Pratchett
Evil-ish, yet the driving force of much of human history - "The ends justify the means." – Niccolò Machiavelli
Don't really know where to put this, as it just so deterministic? Then again it describes my of mankind's early history...Lets just say Extremely Lawful - “The life of man (in a state of nature) is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” – Thomas Hobbes
I have no idea where to but this. Chaotic or Neutral I guess? - “One cannot step twice in the same river” – Heraclitus
Lawful with a slightly Good-ish twist, although it can be twisted to darker ends - “The greatest happiness of the greatest number is the foundation of morals and legislation” – Jeremy Bentham
Chaotic, just so much Chaotic - “Liberty consists in doing what one desires” – John Stuart Mill
Pretty Neutral, kudos for an attempt to redefine Good and Evil though - “There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance” – Socrates
Again weirdly doesn't fit the Alignment spectrum...Neutral, maybe slightly Lawful. - “He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god” – Aristotle
Errr, I don't know. Doesn't really fit the alignment spectrum. Neutral - “You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato
Supposedly Good, but a fundamentally flawed argument. Neutral and Evil are more then enough, by themselves, to strangle their own progress - “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” - Burke, iirc
Neutral, maybe even Lawful, as it puts more faith in some other then in the self. - “I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong” – Bertrand Russell
Urgh I hate Kant. Goodly, with a slightly Lawful bent - “Morality is not the doctrine of how we may make ourselves happy, but of how we may make ourselves worthy of happiness” – Immanuel Kant
Neutral, with a Chaotic bent. Good observation though ^^' - “I don’t know why we are here, but I’m pretty sure it is not in order to enjoy ourselves” – Ludwig Wittgenstein
Evil-ish, with a Chaotic bent. - “Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest” – Denis Diderot
I'm not sure. I guess it depends on the change?. Neutral - “Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it” – Karl Marx
Lawful, maybe slightly Good, depending on what exactly virtue and reason entails... - “Virtue is nothing else than right reason” – Seneca the Younger
Lawful, could tip either way though depending on the stick or carrot choice - “Good and evil, reward and punishment, are the only motives to a rational creature” – John Locke
Blegh more Kant. Good, could go both the Neutral or Lawful route. Chaotic seems a little less likely. - “Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.”― Immanuel Kant
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NG“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” ― Mahatma Gandhi
NG“The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” ― Elie Wiesel
CN“May you live every day of your life.” ― Jonathan Swift
CN“Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is.” ― Albert Camus
N“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” ― William Shakespeare
CG“Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.” ― Isaac Asimov
LN“Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.” ― Voltaire
CG“Nanny's philosophy of life was to do what seemed like a good idea at the time, and do it as hard as possible. It had never let her down.” ― Terry Pratchett
NE"The ends justify the means." – Niccolò Machiavelli
LE“The life of man (in a state of nature) is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” – Thomas Hobbes
N“One cannot step twice in the same river” – Heraclitus
LG“The greatest happiness of the greatest number is the foundation of morals and legislation” – Jeremy Bentham
CN“Liberty consists in doing what one desires” – John Stuart Mill
CG“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance” – Socrates
LN“He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god” – Aristotle
N“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato
NG“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” - ?
CE“I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong” – Bertrand Russell
LN“Morality is not the doctrine of how we may make ourselves happy, but of how we may make ourselves worthy of happiness” – Immanuel Kant
N“I don’t know why we are here, but I’m pretty sure it is not in order to enjoy ourselves” – Ludwig Wittgenstein
CN“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest” – Denis Diderot
CG“Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it” – Karl Marx
NG“Virtue is nothing else than right reason” – Seneca the Younger
LN“Good and evil, reward and punishment, are the only motives to a rational creature” – John Locke
LG“Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.”― Immanuel Kant
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NG “Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” ― Mahatma Gandhi
NG “The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” ― Elie Wiesel
Any “May you live every day of your life.” ― Jonathan Swift
Lawful evil: you will technically live every day of your life until i execute you!
Chaotic good: You gotta LIVE man, not just survive.
needs context “Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is.” ― Albert Camus
What does he think man is?
TN“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” ― William Shakespeare
CG“Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.” ― Isaac Asimov
CG“Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.” ― Voltaire
CN“Nanny's philosophy of life was to do what seemed like a good idea at the time, and do it as hard as possible. It had never let her down.” ― Terry Pratchett
LE"The ends justify the means." – Niccolò Machiavelli
CN“The life of man (in a state of nature) is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” – Thomas Hobbes
unaligned “One cannot step twice in the same river” – Heraclitus
LG“The greatest happiness of the greatest number is the foundation of morals and legislation” – Jeremy Bentham
CN“Liberty consists in doing what one desires” – John Stuart Mill
LN“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance” – Socrates
CN“He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god” – Aristotle
Unaligned You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato
NG“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” - ?
TN“I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong” – Bertrand Russell
LN“Morality is not the doctrine of how we may make ourselves happy, but of how we may make ourselves worthy of happiness” – Immanuel Kant
LG? Could use context“I don’t know why we are here, but I’m pretty sure it is not in order to enjoy ourselves” – Ludwig Wittgenstein
CN“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest” – Denis Diderot
CG“Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it” – Karl Marx
LG“Virtue is nothing else than right reason” – Seneca the Younger
CN“Good and evil, reward and punishment, are the only motives to a rational creature” – John Locke
NG“Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.”― Immanuel Kant
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“The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” ― Elie Wiesel LG
“May you live every day of your life.” ― Jonathan Swift NN
“Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is.” ― Albert Camus LN
“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” ― William Shakespeare NN
“Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.” ― Isaac Asimov CG
“Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.” ― Voltaire NG
“Nanny's philosophy of life was to do what seemed like a good idea at the time, and do it as hard as possible. It had never let her down.” ― Terry Pratchett NN
"The ends justify the means." – Niccolò Machiavelli NE
“The life of man (in a state of nature) is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” – Thomas Hobbes LE
“One cannot step twice in the same river” – Heraclitus CN
“The greatest happiness of the greatest number is the foundation of morals and legislation” – Jeremy Bentham LG
“Liberty consists in doing what one desires” – John Stuart Mill CN
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance” – Socrates CN
“He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god” – Aristotle CN
“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato CG
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” - ? LG
“I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong” – Bertrand Russell NN
“Morality is not the doctrine of how we may make ourselves happy, but of how we may make ourselves worthy of happiness” – Immanuel Kant LN
“I don’t know why we are here, but I’m pretty sure it is not in order to enjoy ourselves” – Ludwig Wittgenstein NE
“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest” – Denis Diderot CN
“Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it” – Karl Marx CG
“Virtue is nothing else than right reason” – Seneca the Younger CG
“Good and evil, reward and punishment, are the only motives to a rational creature” – John Locke LN
“Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.”― Immanuel Kant LG
In sum, I reached several of the same or similar judgments as DM Livgin, but with a few significant departures.
The alignment system's been something of a private obsession of mine for many years.
| Dαedαlus |
“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” ― LG
“The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” ― N
“May you live every day of your life.” ― CG
“Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is.” ― LE
“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” ― N
“Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.” ― CN/LE
“Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.” ― N
“Nanny's philosophy of life was to do what seemed like a good idea at the time, and do it as hard as possible. It had never let her down.” ― NG
"The ends justify the means." – LE
“The life of man (in a state of nature) is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” – CE
“One cannot step twice in the same river” – CG
“The greatest happiness of the greatest number is the foundation of morals and legislation” – LG
“Liberty consists in doing what one desires” – CG
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance” – LN
“He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god” – LE
“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – N
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” - LG
“I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong” – N
“Morality is not the doctrine of how we may make ourselves happy, but of how we may make ourselves worthy of happiness” – LN
“I don’t know why we are here, but I’m pretty sure it is not in order to enjoy ourselves” – LN
“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest” – CE
“Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it” – CN
“Virtue is nothing else than right reason” – LG
“Good and evil, reward and punishment, are the only motives to a rational creature” – N
“Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.”― NG
I don't know... those are mostly my initial reactions. I imagine a lot of them might change if I spent significant time thinking through each one.
| BigNorseWolf |
Ya, I wanted to make a case study of how two people can read the same thing and yet come to opposite conclusions on the alignment (and both be right).
Context matters for one thing. I was deliberately trying not to see who said what. I mean otherwise when i see kant "lawful stupid" becomes an alignment.