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Quick Question - Fusion on Solarian Weapon - Yes? No?

I can't find anything for either way. My opinion is NO. But I've been wrong before...and I'm certain I'll be wrong again...

:)

Thanks.

I think you could put a fusion on a Solarian weapon crystal then apply that to the weapon.

Not sure though.

yeah, I'm not seeing anything specific (yet). The only thing I'm noticing though is that there is never a definition of the item level equivalent for a solarian weapon (it's treated as an advanced melee weapon; but does not say "of your solarian level" or whatever). SO that could mean it doesn't HAVE a level, which means it can't hold any fusions, since fusions are limited by the item level...(one interpretation of many anyway).

Now, solarian weapon crystals HAVE an item level, and I'm not seeing anything saying they can or can't hold a fusion...so :shrug:
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You could use the level of the Solarian for the item level of the weapon since the damage of the Solarian weapon scales with level.

Dave2

Solarian Crystals are "essentially" fusions for your Solarian weapon. You can't fusion a fusion.

I read this in a very strict manner.
"A weapon fusion is a small, prepackaged add-on that can be attached to any weapon to infuse it with magic."
JetSetRadio wrote:
You can't fusion a fusion.

This now needs to be a meme. A thing.

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JetSetRadio wrote:
You can't fusion a fusion.

You clearly don't watch Steven Universe.

Golurkcanfly wrote:

I think you could put a fusion on a Solarian weapon crystal then apply that to the weapon.

Not sure though.

I agree with Gol here. I don't think Paizo intended for Solarions to be restricted from fusion options with their "iconic" weapons. I assume that you add fusions to the weapon crystals, using the weapon crystals item level.

There is another thread doing a faq for it.
JetSetRadio wrote:

Solarian Crystals are "essentially" fusions for your Solarian weapon. You can't fusion a fusion.

I read this in a very strict manner.
"A weapon fusion is a small, prepackaged add-on that can be attached to any weapon to infuse it with magic."

No you don't read this in a strict manner.

By the rules Solarian Weapon Crystals are weapons.

They are listed as weapon types.

They are not listed as fusions.

Please, please, stop stating your opinion as fact until we get a clear answer.
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Strictly, with a strict read of the rules, Solarian Weapon Crystals are weapons. As such they can be equipped with Fusions. Those fusions then transfer to the Solar Weapon.

Strictly, by the rules, that is what happens.

Here are the "Weapon Types" in Starfinder:

1. Basic Melee
2. Advanced Melee
3. Small Arms
4. Long Arms
5. Heavy Weapons
6. Sniper Weapons
7. Special Weapons
8. Ammunition and Grenades
9. Solarian Weapon Crystals

Starfinder Core Rule Book page 169-170

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Starfinder Core Rule Book page 191

"A weapon fusion is a small, prepackaged add-on that can be attached to any weapon to infuse it with magic"

Note: Any Weapon

Solarian Weapon Crystals - By the rules of Starfinder - Are weapons. They are listed in the type of weapons... They are listed in the weapon charts... They each have the full categories of weapons including, but not limited to, level, cost, damage, critical, and bulk.

Charts 7-1 to 7-10 are all weapon charts and they cover Solarian Weapon Crystals.

Sooo... I know this thread appears to have gone dormant, but... consensus?

It sounds like RAW says that you can apply a Fusion to a Solarian Weapon Crystal, but this doesn't clear up the initial question: is it possible to apply a Weapon Fusion directly to a Solarian Weapon?

The Solarian Weapon is considered an Advanced Melee Weapon, and theoretically Fusions can be applied to any weapon. While the fact that the Solarian Weapon technically lacks a level - and therefore the capacity to host Fusions - makes actual application seemingly impossible, I have no doubt there's a loophole somewhere in there.

So: is it possible to apply a Fusion directly to a Solarian Weapon, without the use of Solarian Weapon Crystals?

Ooor is this one of those things that ended up getting covered in the FAQ somewhere and nobody told me?
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Owen answered it in another, very similar thread. As far as I know it has not been placed in a FAQ entry anywhere yet.

He said, yes, you can put a fusion on a Solarian Weapon Crystal. His post is here.
Withdrawn wrote:

Sooo... I know this thread appears to have gone dormant, but... consensus?

It sounds like RAW says that you can apply a Fusion to a Solarian Weapon Crystal, but this doesn't clear up the initial question: is it possible to apply a Weapon Fusion directly to a Solarian Weapon?

The Solarian Weapon is considered an Advanced Melee Weapon, and theoretically Fusions can be applied to any weapon. While the fact that the Solarian Weapon technically lacks a level - and therefore the capacity to host Fusions - makes actual application seemingly impossible, I have no doubt there's a loophole somewhere in there.

So: is it possible to apply a Fusion directly to a Solarian Weapon, without the use of Solarian Weapon Crystals?

Ooor is this one of those things that ended up getting covered in the FAQ somewhere and nobody told me?

You cannot apply a fusion to the Solarian Weapon. You can only apply it to the Solarian Weapon Crystal. This is because nothing can affect the Solarian Weapon outside of a Solarian Weapon Crystal.

HWalsh wrote:

Strictly, with a strict read of the rules, Solarian Weapon Crystals are weapons. As such they can be equipped with Fusions. Those fusions then transfer to the Solar Weapon.

Strictly, by the rules, that is what happens.

Here are the "Weapon Types" in Starfinder:

1. Basic Melee
2. Advanced Melee
3. Small Arms
4. Long Arms
5. Heavy Weapons
6. Sniper Weapons
7. Special Weapons
8. Ammunition and Grenades
9. Solarian Weapon Crystals

Starfinder Core Rule Book page 169-170

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Starfinder Core Rule Book page 191

"A weapon fusion is a small, prepackaged add-on that can be attached to any weapon to infuse it with magic"

Note: Any Weapon

Solarian Weapon Crystals - By the rules of Starfinder - Are weapons. They are listed in the type of weapons... They are listed in the weapon charts... They each have the full categories of weapons including, but not limited to, level, cost, damage, critical, and bulk.

Charts 7-1 to 7-10 are all weapon charts and they cover Solarian Weapon Crystals.

If Solarian Weapon Crystals are their own weapon type than wouldn't it require a specific proficiency to use them?

Torbyne wrote:
HWalsh wrote:

Strictly, with a strict read of the rules, Solarian Weapon Crystals are weapons. As such they can be equipped with Fusions. Those fusions then transfer to the Solar Weapon.

Strictly, by the rules, that is what happens.

Here are the "Weapon Types" in Starfinder:

1. Basic Melee
2. Advanced Melee
3. Small Arms
4. Long Arms
5. Heavy Weapons
6. Sniper Weapons
7. Special Weapons
8. Ammunition and Grenades
9. Solarian Weapon Crystals

Starfinder Core Rule Book page 169-170

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Starfinder Core Rule Book page 191

"A weapon fusion is a small, prepackaged add-on that can be attached to any weapon to infuse it with magic"

Note: Any Weapon

Solarian Weapon Crystals - By the rules of Starfinder - Are weapons. They are listed in the type of weapons... They are listed in the weapon charts... They each have the full categories of weapons including, but not limited to, level, cost, damage, critical, and bulk.

Charts 7-1 to 7-10 are all weapon charts and they cover Solarian Weapon Crystals.

If Solarian Weapon Crystals are their own weapon type than wouldn't it require a specific proficiency to use them?

Not in this case.

Either way, my correctness was already confirmed by the devs on this matter.

Unarmed strike is listed as a weapon. Can I put a fusion on my face and headbutt with it?

I say it is an unclear point whether a solarian crystal is a weapon eligible for fusions.

HWalsh wrote:

Strictly, with a strict read of the rules, Solarian Weapon Crystals are weapons. As such they can be equipped with Fusions. Those fusions then transfer to the Solar Weapon.

Strictly, by the rules, that is what happens.

Here are the "Weapon Types" in Starfinder:

1. Basic Melee
2. Advanced Melee
3. Small Arms
4. Long Arms
5. Heavy Weapons
6. Sniper Weapons
7. Special Weapons
8. Ammunition and Grenades
9. Solarian Weapon Crystals

Starfinder Core Rule Book page 169-170

-----

Starfinder Core Rule Book page 191

"A weapon fusion is a small, prepackaged add-on that can be attached to any weapon to infuse it with magic"

Note: Any Weapon

Solarian Weapon Crystals - By the rules of Starfinder - Are weapons. They are listed in the type of weapons... They are listed in the weapon charts... They each have the full categories of weapons including, but not limited to, level, cost, damage, critical, and bulk.

Charts 7-1 to 7-10 are all weapon charts and they cover Solarian Weapon Crystals.

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EC Gamer Guy wrote:

Unarmed strike is listed as a weapon. Can I put a fusion on my face and headbutt with it?

I say it is an unclear point whether a solarian crystal is a weapon eligible for fusions.

In cased you missed it earlier, the Starfinder Design Lead, Owen Stephens, in fact said you can add fusion and fusion seals to solarian weapon crystals.

Its in the "Can you put a Fusion on a Solarian Weapon" thread.

Earlier I had not actually answered the original question which is can you put a fusion on a Solar Weapon itself. Hwalsh already noted correctly, that no you cannot put a fusion on just the Solar Weapon. If for no other reason than a Solar Weapon doesn't have an item level. But weapon crystals are intended to accept fusions and then pass that effect on to the Solar Weapon.

by that same logic, a PC's body does not have an item level and likewise, can not accept a fusion.
EC Gamer Guy wrote:

Unarmed strike is listed as a weapon. Can I put a fusion on my face and headbutt with it?

I say it is an unclear point whether a solarian crystal is a weapon eligible for fusions.

The Starfinder design lead has already confirmed that you can add a fusion to the Solarian Crystal.

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
HWalsh wrote:
EC Gamer Guy wrote:

Unarmed strike is listed as a weapon. Can I put a fusion on my face and headbutt with it?

I say it is an unclear point whether a solarian crystal is a weapon eligible for fusions.

The Starfinder design lead has already confirmed that you can add a fusion to the Solarian Crystal.

Can you provide the source please?

Ravingdork wrote:
HWalsh wrote:
EC Gamer Guy wrote:

Unarmed strike is listed as a weapon. Can I put a fusion on my face and headbutt with it?

I say it is an unclear point whether a solarian crystal is a weapon eligible for fusions.

The Starfinder design lead has already confirmed that you can add a fusion to the Solarian Crystal.
Can you provide the source please?

Per Hiruma Kai a few posts above you; "Can you put a Fusion on a Solarian Weapon" thread.

I was more mocking HWalsh's logic of "it's a weapon because it's on the weapon list" than seriously considering fusion-ing a PC's head.

And I posted that before I finished reading the thread which meant to me it was unclear, until I saw the official clarification and it became considerably less unclear!

Torbyne wrote:
by that same logic, a PC's body does not have an item level and likewise, can not accept a fusion.

Wait, I can't thunderpunch with a vesk? Darn.
Haywire build generator wrote:
Wait, I can't thunderpunch with a vesk? Darn.

thecnicly you can chidori the fool even first level as long as your dm accidently droped a crystal at that level or hell i think owen said it you can do it without crystal since we can add fusions to mote its legit as you can get

khadgar567 wrote:
Haywire build generator wrote:
Wait, I can't thunderpunch with a vesk? Darn.
thecnicly you can chidori the fool even first level as long as your dm accidently droped a crystal at that level or hell i think owen said it you can do it without crystal since we can add fusions to mote its legit as you can get

Owen has not said you can add to the mote, by the rules nothing can interact with the mote but the Solarian and the Solar Crystal.

The mote has no level, thus cannot accept fusions.
EC Gamer Guy wrote:
I was more mocking HWalsh's logic of "it's a weapon because it's on the weapon list" than seriously considering fusion-ing a PC's head.

Not a good idea to mock people, especially when they turn out to be correct.

As for fusioning a head, you can't.

In order to fusion something it must meet 2 criteria:

1. It must be considered, by the rules, a weapon or ammunition (which are still considered weapons.)

2. It must have an item level, as you need an item level equal to or lower then the level of the fusion.

Don't get me wrong, your logic was still flawed. I had nothing to say about the conclusion beyond I hadn't seen a definitive answer. Not everything on the weapon list is a weapon eligible for fusions.

HWalsh wrote:
EC Gamer Guy wrote:
I was more mocking HWalsh's logic of "it's a weapon because it's on the weapon list" than seriously considering fusion-ing a PC's head.

Not a good idea to mock people, especially when they turn out to be correct.

As for fusioning a head, you can't.

In order to fusion something it must meet 2 criteria:

1. It must be considered, by the rules, a weapon or ammunition (which are still considered weapons.)

2. It must have an item level, as you need an item level equal to or lower then the level of the fusion.

EC Gamer Guy wrote:
Don't get me wrong, your logic was still flawed. I had nothing to say about the conclusion beyond I hadn't seen a definitive answer. Not everything on the weapon list is a weapon eligible for fusions.

Sure they are. Everything from table 7-1 to 7-10 can accept weapon fusions. Nothing there is ineligible. Even the ammunition is eligible.

Table 7-1, first entry above Club, "unarmed strike" d3B damage, archaic, nonlethal.
EC Gamer Guy wrote:
Don't get me wrong, your logic was still flawed. I had nothing to say about the conclusion beyond I hadn't seen a definitive answer. Not everything on the weapon list is a weapon eligible for fusions.

That's not how that works. You don't just say "Oh well you're wrong" and leave it at that. If you believe crystals are treated differently you should present evidence as to why you believe your interpretation is correct. Otherwise there's no reason to assume they wouldn't work normally.

Simply saying "Your logic is flawed" or "It's unclear!" without anything to support those assertions is nonsense.

EC Gamer Guy wrote:
Table 7-1, first entry above Club, "unarmed strike" d3B damage, archaic, nonlethal.

And why you can't put fusions on an unarmed strike or club is already covered by the rules. Not really relevant here.

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Unarmed strikes don't have a level. He didn't say you couldn't apply fusions to clubs.
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EC Gamer Guy wrote:
Table 7-1, first entry above Club, "unarmed strike" d3B damage, archaic, nonlethal.

And it could take a weapon fusion. If you could find a level 0 fusion. The rules on fusions is very clear, "Any weapon."

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I suppose that would work, provided you could find a level 0 fusion.

Correct. You can't apply fusions to unarmed strikes because they don't have a level and you currently can't apply fusions to clubs because there are no level 0 fusions.

Point being that "but unarmed strikes!" has no real bearing on the topic of weapon crystals, as they're already covered by the rules.
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I scratch my head at threads like these. Obviously some people like to "Mock" and then other people play into it. "Oh no I need the last word." and extend the life of these threads for days/weeks.

Owen came out after weeks of debate and said yes. They can. Provide the link and leave it alone.

Side note: I would say you could add a fusion to bionic limbs.
JetSetRadio wrote:

I scratch my head at threads like these. Obviously some people like to "Mock" and then other people play into it. "Oh no I need the last word." and extend the life of these threads for days/weeks.

Owen came out after weeks of debate and said yes. They can. Provide the link and leave it alone.

Side note: I would say you could add a fusion to bionic limbs.

Unfortunately bionic limbs aren't weapons, so aren't actually viable targets. The rules on fusions are to stop people from getting mega-powerful fusions and adding them to their weapons super early.

HWalsh wrote:
Unfortunately bionic limbs aren't weapons, so aren't actually viable targets. The rules on fusions are to stop people from getting mega-powerful fusions and adding them to their weapons super early.

So what is to stop me from getting bionic arms and replacing my hands with battle gauntlet and then calling my character DOOMFIST? If I had battle gauntlets as hands can I then fusion them?

JetSetRadio wrote:
HWalsh wrote:
Unfortunately bionic limbs aren't weapons, so aren't actually viable targets. The rules on fusions are to stop people from getting mega-powerful fusions and adding them to their weapons super early.
So what is to stop me from getting bionic arms and replacing my hands with battle gauntlet and then calling my character DOOMFIST? If I had battle gauntlets as hands can I then fusion them?

If they are weapons and they have the requisite item level then I don't see why not.

I mean, in theory, you could also slap a fusion onto Electrovore Gloves. (Alien Archive pg 45)

Since they are weapons and they have an item level.

All this because he didn't mention level as a requirement for fusions in his post, only being a weapon per being on the weapon charts. Minor error but worth the entertainment.
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EC Gamer Guy wrote:
All this because he didn't mention level as a requirement for fusions in his post, only being a weapon per being on the weapon charts. Minor error but worth the entertainment.

Stop. You were wrong, and you acted like a petulant child when you were proven wrong. Everyone in this thread can see you were mistaken but still doubled down when you got called out. There's no saving face for you at this point. Accept the loss and move on. This thread is done.

EC Gamer Guy wrote:
All this because he didn't mention level as a requirement for fusions in his post, only being a weapon per being on the weapon charts. Minor error but worth the entertainment.

Sounds like you are *trying* to troll people. Which I know you wouldn't be trying to do, because if you were trying to do that you would be in violation of the forum rules and terms of service.

Was I wrong about unarmed strike being on the Weapons list? Nope.

Did HWalsh mention level as a requirement is his post? Nope.

Have I ever actually said unarmed strike was Fusion eligible? Only in regards to HWalsh's original post. I actually stated it was ridiculous.

It's called logic and attention to detail.

If I had seriously advocated this, then yes, this would be petulant. But you guys keep putting words in my mouth to make me out to be something else.

Space McMan wrote:
EC Gamer Guy wrote:
All this because he didn't mention level as a requirement for fusions in his post, only being a weapon per being on the weapon charts. Minor error but worth the entertainment.
Stop. You were wrong, and you acted like a petulant child when you were proven wrong. Everyone in this thread can see you were mistaken but still doubled down when you got called out. There's no saving face for you at this point. Accept the loss and move on. This thread is done.

Yup, he said it. Whenever you say the magic word it wins all arguments. "Logic". Once that word is used it means what everyone else said is stupid. We can all just leave here. He wins.
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