Reloading a gun while raging

[Mathmuse]

Murdock Mudeater wrote:

@Mathmuse: Just a snipet of clarification, and despite common sense, Firearm Proficency doesn't affect your ability to load firearms. It just negates that -4 penalty on to hit rolls with firearms. Plus most feats which improve firearms/weapons will require proficency.

In pathfinder, anyone can load firearms. There's no feat for it. It's not a skill either. A peasent can load firearms. Just how the game mechanics work.

I checked the rules before writing my comment. Loading a firearm without proficiency increases the chance of misfire.

Ultimate Combat, Mastering Combat, Firearms wrote:

Firearm Proficiency: The Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearms) feat allows you to use all firearms without penalty. A nonproficient character takes the standard –4 penalty on attack rolls with firearms, and a nonproficient character who loads a firearm increases all misfire values by 4 for the shots he loads.

[John Murdock]

Mathmuse

you really want to use bigword to sound like you are right eh. the reductio ad adsurdum is not a fallacy when the statement is true, same with the slippery slope the only way to prove that fallacy is to test it.
if you think an reductio ad adsurdum is automatically a fallacy so that statement, The Earth cannot be flat, otherwise we would find people falling off the edge, would also be a fallacy but the statement is true because of how the natural law of the universe work, and i am not basing the barbarian upon the myth of the norse berserker that is a gift from odin, more that pathfinder like practically all RPG do this. and the reason i do not base my thing upon this is that no nordic saga talk about a man doing the thing you have say, say they are berserker, berserker mean either wearing bear skin or champion.

Rysky

did you ever hear someone raging? because they make a lot of noise, making a lot of noise do not mean they are shouting, just that they will speak very loud and breath very loudly, and breathing loudly make a lot of noise enough to be heard especially by animal.

i'm sorry though saying animalistic rage, too often barbarian and berserker are seen as entering an animalistic rage and that one nowhere it is written even in the fluff, but they just think to crush their foe by brute strengh because the fluff say that they are brutal warrior, they are the battle possessed and creatures of slaughter and spirits of war.

and if you think a barbarian in a rage can think like a normal, you never saw someone be in enrage. you even say yes we need common sense but you throw it in the fire because not written in the book because i prefer to be hyper technical so f*#~ common sense.

dismissing the warhulk a prestige class in 3.5 by saying it was not meant to be taken by player so not an argument is absurd especialy since in 3.5 there was the goliath, a race that considered large for any feat and class/prestige, or any other prerequisite to take.

and then you take me saying to someone taking IRL about reloading out of context when i say try to reload an early pistol by saying f$~! reality in pathfinder for that, when the context was i was saying that to somebody saying but i can reload a pistol super quick so it should be no problem in pathfinder, which he is using modern one not early, so please context next time.

all i see is you wanting to be hyper technical by throwing out the window common sense and logic because it is not written in the book you can or can't do something even if it make no sense

i'm sure you will let a barbarian create small watch/clock because profession is a WIS skill, even if it make absolutely no sense, since it is something that require so much precision, concentration and patience do to, to work with thing so small, but it is not written it require patience or concentration to do, so f&&+ the close you cannot do thing that require patience eh

[Jurassic Pratt]

There's really no point in continuing this discussion here. We found the RAW answer and the OP was happy with it.

Also, we're in the Rules forum, not the Homebrew forum. By the rules, a barbarian 100% can reload a gun while raging. Now if you disagree based on the flavor text of rage, that sounds like a perfectly fine thing to start a thread about elsewhere.

But that discussion doesn't belong here.

[Rysky]

Jurassic Pratt wrote:

There's really no point in continuing this discussion here. We found the RAW answer and the OP was happy with it.

Also, we're in the Rules forum, not the Homebrew forum. By the rules, a barbarian 100% can reload a gun while raging. Now if you disagree based on the flavor text of rage, that sounds like a perfectly fine thing to start a thread about elsewhere.

But that discussion doesn't belong here.

Agreed.

We have supplied the rules, and reference in media and real life (for example, when I get angry, I don't scream, I get quiet. That's usually how people who know me can tell something is seriously off), but most importantly for this discussion, the rules in the Core Rulebook, how the arguement is not supported. To claim otherwise because you "believe" rage has to be a certain way is simply houseruling.

[wraithstrike]

Disclaimer: I have not read all the post, but I have read about half of them.

For those saying that reloading crossbow or gun is not possible because of patience and concentration how do you feel about a barbarian wanting to kill a wizard, but he prefers to take the long way around to avoid AoO's from giants?

It takes concentration to figure out the right path to take, and it can take 2 to rounds or more in many cases due to their reach.

Is that also not allow? It definitely requires less patience than reloading a weapon, and since it is a skill with steps than can be memorized vs having to figure an entire new path I would say reloading also requires less concentration.

[John Murdock]

for me he will take the shortest path and provoke but he is still not suicidal either, so he will prefer to hit what is near him and threaten him immediately and kill everything in his way that stop him to seek the wizard

[wraithstrike]

John Murdock wrote:

for me he will take the shortest path and provoke but he is still not suicidal either, so he will prefer to hit what is near him and threaten him immediately and kill everything in his way that stop him to seek the wizard

Just to be clear I was asking from a rule based perspective.

Are you saying that is the intent of the rules, and what the PDT would say is that barbarians can't take the long way around?

Also, killing everything in his path will take longer than just going around them, or are you saying he doesn't have the concentration to remain focused on a specific target so he gets sidetracked by any enemy he comes into?

[Murdock Mudeater]

Mathmuse wrote:

Murdock Mudeater wrote:

@Mathmuse: Just a snipet of clarification, and despite common sense, Firearm Proficency doesn't affect your ability to load firearms. It just negates that -4 penalty on to hit rolls with firearms. Plus most feats which improve firearms/weapons will require proficency.

In pathfinder, anyone can load firearms. There's no feat for it. It's not a skill either. A peasent can load firearms. Just how the game mechanics work.

I checked the rules before writing my comment. Loading a firearm without proficiency increases the chance of misfire.

Ultimate Combat, Mastering Combat, Firearms wrote:

Firearm Proficiency: The Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearms) feat allows you to use all firearms without penalty. A nonproficient character takes the standard –4 penalty on attack rolls with firearms, and a nonproficient character who loads a firearm increases all misfire values by 4 for the shots he loads.

Still doesn't affect your ability to load fire arms (they still get loaded). Sure the misfire goes up, but that's half the fun of firearms anyway....

I suppose I could have worded my intentions better originially, but I still wouldn't consider an increase in missfire to constitute an inability to load a firearm without proficency. Anyone can load firearms in pathfinder, the feat doesn't change that.

Rapid Reload is a feat that can affect firearms and would be a valid point when debating use of feats while performing actions which call into question your ability to take certain actions. Mere proficency is not.