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Hi,
Combat Maneuver states:
"When you attempt to perform a combat maneuver, make an attack roll and add your CMB in place of your normal attack bonus. Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects. These bonuses must be applicable to the weapon or attack used to perform the maneuver."
Some form of this has been asked several times, but the specific about say, whether a weapon's enhancement bonus applies to a combat maneuver or the like hasn't really been officially answered.
Can we please officially clarify what falls under "other effects" in the context of a combat maneuver with a weapon?
Previous posts include:
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jvbh?CMB-vs-CMD-FIGHT#19
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l16u?Rules-Questions-What-exactly-is-a-combat# 8
Finally it's really specific here:
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jzk1?Weapon-Finesse-on-special-kinds-of-attack s#10
The downside of the last post is that James Jacobs doesn't address explicitly the enhancement bonus question in his reply.
I found this update FAQ from Sean K. Reynolds:
"Note: This is a revision of this FAQ entry based on a Paizo blog about combat maneuvers with weapons. The previous version of this FAQ stated that using a trip weapon was the only way you could apply weapon enhancement bonuses, Weapon Focus bonuses, and other such bonuses to the trip combat maneuver roll. The clarification in that blog means any weapon used to trip applies these bonuses when making a trip combat maneuver, so this FAQ was updated to omit the "only trip weapons let you apply these bonuses" limitation.
—Sean K Reynolds, 03/15/11"
All of this seems to imply heavily that yes, enhancement bonuses and anything else that would apply to your attack bonus with a weapon would also apply to a combat maneuver with a weapon. I would just really like this to be a FAQ or at least official ruling somewhere.
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Anything that affects the attack roll with that action. If you're using a weapon the weapon's enhancement works since the weapon is more accurate via magic. If you use wisdom for your attacks you can sub wisdom for your attack stat. Bardic performance helps it. Flanking helps.
I would just really like this to be a FAQ or at least official ruling somewhere.Isn't that exactly what adding any bonuses you have to attack rolls means?
I'm not sure I see the value in such an FAQ at all.
The fact that it gets asked regularly, and that DMs dispute it is enough reason for a FAQ entry IMO.
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Previous posts include:CMB vs CMD... FIGHT!!!
Rules Questions: What exactly is a combat maneuver?Finally it's really specific here:
Weapon Finesse on special kinds of attacks?
The downside of the last post is that James Jacobs doesn't address explicitly the enhancement bonus question in his reply.
I found this update FAQ from Sean K. Reynolds:
"Note: This is a revision of this FAQ entry based on a Paizo blog about combat maneuvers with weapons. The previous version of this FAQ stated that using a trip weapon was the only way you could apply weapon enhancement bonuses, Weapon Focus bonuses, and other such bonuses to the trip combat maneuver roll. The clarification in that blog means any weapon used to trip applies these bonuses when making a trip combat maneuver, so this FAQ was updated to omit the "only trip weapons let you apply these bonuses" limitation.
—Sean K Reynolds, 03/15/11"
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My understanding is that if you can use a weapon to do the maneuver, then any bonus the weapon has, or you have with the weapon, also applies.
/cevah
The fact that it gets asked regularly, and that DMs dispute it is enough reason for a FAQ entry IMO.Well, if either of those statements were actually true I'd likely agree with you, sure. Glancing around however I see no recent threads besides this one asking the question, nor any particularly heated debate in this topic itself on the issue and while it's likely happened I've certainly never heard of a GM insisting that bonuses to attack rolls don't apply to attack rolls.
Hell, of the three threads you linked only one of them actually mentioned the issue you're having and not only is it from 2009, but the question is a secondary one and resolved without incident. Where are you getting this idea that people all around the world are agonizing and arguing over this decision?
Maybe if you're lucky you'll get an FAQ. It'll likely say something to the effect of 'No, the rulebook is not lying to you' though and it will be a tremendous waste of resources in my opinion, so I sincerely hope not.
Aside from being insulting, your demeaning tone is also a waste of time. Please stop.
The fact that it hasn't been asked recently could be a sign of multiple things, including, say, frustration with previous answers that are not specific enough or self contradictory. For instance the post from Jacobs that states combat maneuvers are meant to be hard, which they are not since CMB doesn't include say, armor and shield bonuses.
The reason I ask is that it recently came up in a game, and the raw is vague enough to be worthy of dispute. Time also wasted for our group and anyone else.