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I've been looking over previous threads and haven't been able to find a concrete answer to this question.
If a character uses the "Adopted" trait to gain another race's trait, does that then lock them out of selecting a race trait from their actual race because they are from the same list?
For example, can a human that was raised by elves use the "Adopted Trait" to take "Warrior of Old" and then use their second trait slot to choose the human race trait "Historian".
Some people seem to believe that the "Adopted" trait counts as both a social trait and a race trait. Others say it only counts as a social trait. I'm hoping I can get some confirmation either way. Thanks!
Ferret0418 wrote: I've been looking over previous threads and haven't been able to find a concrete answer to this question.
If a character uses the "Adopted" trait to gain another race's trait, does that then lock them out of selecting a race trait from their actual race because they are from the same list?
Yes
Ferret0418 wrote: For example, can a human that was raised by elves use the "Adopted Trait" to take "Warrior of Old" and then use their second trait slot to choose the human race trait "Historian". No
Ferret0418 wrote: Some people seem to believe that the "Adopted" trait counts as both a social trait and a race trait. Others say it only counts as a social trait. I'm hoping I can get some confirmation either way. Thanks! Adopted counts as a social trait, the trait it allows you to take counts as a race trait and both count towards your trait limit.
Gallant Armor wrote: Adopted counts as a social trait, the trait it allows you to take counts as a race trait and both count towards your trait limit. +1
Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
So if you are only allowed two traits (per usual), and you take Warrior of Old through Adopted, you can't choose any additional traits?
If so, where is the rule that says that?
I know a lot of people who assume you can still choose another trait, and that Adopted/Warrior of Old (in this example) only count as one.
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Selecting the race trait is part of the Adopted social trait, so you do effectively get three traits (including Adopted, which otherwise does nothing on its own).
See here.
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PRD wrote: Adopted: You were adopted and raised by someone not of your race, and raised in a society not your own. As a result, you picked up a race trait from your adoptive parents and society, and may immediately select a race trait from your adoptive parents' race. What that means is that the benefit from the Adopted trait is a race trait. That race trait does not count toward your trait limit. If Adopted said that it gave you access to another race's race traits, that's a different story, but that's not what it says.
So you can take Adopted/Warrior of Old, and one more (non-social, non-race) trait. The trait you've taken is essentially Adopted(Warrior of Old).
You get 3 with Adopted just only benefits from two and three classes of traits are represented.
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Wrong John Silver wrote: PRD wrote: Adopted: You were adopted and raised by someone not of your race, and raised in a society not your own. As a result, you picked up a race trait from your adoptive parents and society, and may immediately select a race trait from your adoptive parents' race. What that means is that the benefit from the Adopted trait is a race trait. That race trait does not count toward your trait limit. If Adopted said that it gave you access to another race's race traits, that's a different story, but that's not what it says.
So you can take Adopted/Warrior of Old, and one more (non-social, non-race) trait. The trait you've taken is essentially Adopted(Warrior of Old). +1
The benefit from adopted is the ability to select a racial trait from another race. It's a trait tax, similar to a feat tax. Otherwise it's more of a rule than a trait.
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Gallant Armor wrote: The benefit from adopted is the ability to select a racial trait from another race. It's a trait tax, similar to a feat tax. Otherwise it's more of a rule than a trait. Nope! See my text quoted from the PRD above. The Adopted trait gives you a race trait, not the ability to choose a race trait. The tax is that it consumes both the social and race trait categories.
Wrong John Silver wrote: Gallant Armor wrote: The benefit from adopted is the ability to select a racial trait from another race. It's a trait tax, similar to a feat tax. Otherwise it's more of a rule than a trait. Nope! See my text quoted from the PRD above. The Adopted trait gives you a race trait, not the ability to choose a race trait. The tax is that it consumes both the social and race trait categories. It is very poorly written. A strict reading would have it give you two race traits.
"As a result, you picked up a race trait from your adoptive parents and society, and may immediately select a race trait from your adoptive parents' race."
There is no need for anything between the commas:
"As a result you may immediately select a race trait from your adoptive parents' race."
I suppose if the intent is for everyone to have easy access to all traits it's not that big of a deal, just strikes me as an odd choice for the developers to make.
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