Minotaur Double Crossbow


Rules Questions


I saw a player use one of these for the first time, and was entirely blindsided by the multitude of rules questions that came around as a result of them. Maybe you guys can help me.

1 - Rapid reload

Spoiler:
Choose a type of crossbow (hand, light, heavy) or a single type of one-handed or two-handed firearm that you are proficient with. You can reload such a weapon quickly.

The "Minotaur Double Crossbow" (Hereafter MDC) is not a subset of hand, light, or heavy crossbows. It is also not a firearm of any type. This excludes it from being chosen with the "Rapid Reload" feat?

2 - Weapon Groups
The "Crossbow" weapon group is currently listed as the following:

Spoiler:
"double crossbow, hand crossbow, heavy crossbow, launching crossbow, light crossbow, repeating hand crossbow, repeating heavy crossbow, repeating light crossbow, tube arrow shooter, underwater heavy crossbow, underwater light crossbow".

This means that Fighters do not gain Weapon Training bonuses when using the MDC?

3 - Crossbow Mastery
Does "All Crossbows" refer to all weapons in the weapon group "Crossbows" or does it refer to any weapon with "Crossbow" in its name? Does it work with "Tube Arrow Shooter"?

I know pathfinder is more a feel it out as you go RAI kind of game, but PFS forces us to try and sort out what RAW means (which is why MDC exists as a weapon at all). I'd like to be very clear on how weird this weapon actually makes things before I consider replacing all my ranged weapon builds with it (since it outperforms basically every other ranged weapon at everything).

For the record, MDC is a 3.5 version of the double crossbow that was overlooked by PFS's additional resources group and as such is still explicitly legal in spite of the "modernized" double crossbow. It suffers a -2 penalty to hit instead of a -4, and carries no rules text about crossbow mastery whatsoever (as apposed to the double crossbow's nerf text that prevents full attacks). It also can be used without exotic weapon proficiency as a racial weapon, which means its a half feat cheaper than the double crossbow, has +2 to hit, and is a faster reload.

The Concordance

1- it cannot be chosen with Rapid Reload for the reason you listed.

2- It is not a part of the Crossbow Weapon Group.

3- All crossbows means all crossbows. If it has crossbow in its name, it's a crossbow.

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I know this was changed in PFS but I'm still looking for where I saw the change. PFSRD has the "correct" version of the weapon here

Edit: After scouring the interwebz I can't find it, so it looks like it is legal

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