Hi-Resolution Maps


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Paizo Staff -

Could you all do an online set of maps for APs that would work better for VTT? I would happily pay the same price for them as I do for the AP Map Folios. The future of RPGs is virtual, so what do we as fans/players need to do to convince you to give this a try?


Previously asked: 2017, 2016, 2015, 2009, 2009.

tl;dr: The cost and time to commission high-res maps at 1":5' scale are prohibitive. If you want high-res maps, find someone willing to spend the time to make them at Paizo's freelance rates and have them contact Paizo.

Billy Watford did a bunch of high-res fan maps.

Liberty's Edge

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Cough...Cough
I do 1"=5'Battlemaps
Cough...Cough

I love how people always say the costs are "prohibitive"

No..it is a service they don't want to provide.
I don't have a New High Speed Computer and I can make a 50/72/300/600 DPI with and without grids

And I have offered to do them for Paizo Officially without charging them an Arm and a Leg...even for free.

check out my work at http://jpstodwftexas.deviantart.com/
If you need a specfic map let me know.

Liberty's Edge

Hell's Rebel
Book 1 In Hell's Shadow in the works
Soon to be posted on my Deviantart page

Liberty's Edge

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JPSTOD, have you looked at the Ironfang books yet? =)


Many thanks to JPSTOD for working on this - there will be a gift card in your future, good sir! Was there a particular one you would want, or just a generic Visa/MC/AMEX work for you?

Liberty's Edge

Yes I have.....Started working on the Maps....

Liberty's Edge

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We, digital GM's, love you.

Grand Lodge

JPSTOD wrote:

Cough...Cough

I do 1"=5'Battlemaps
Cough...Cough

I love how people always say the costs are "prohibitive"

No..it is a service they don't want to provide.
I don't have a New High Speed Computer and I can make a 50/72/300/600 DPI with and without grids

And I have offered to do them for Paizo Officially without charging them an Arm and a Leg...even for free.

check out my work at http://jpstodwftexas.deviantart.com/
If you need a specfic map let me know.

Your work is improving greatly over the last few months. Keep up the good work! :D

Liberty's Edge

Varun Creed wrote:


Your work is improving greatly over the last few months. Keep up the good work! :D

Thank you

Liberty's Edge

Dahgda wrote:
Many thanks to JPSTOD for working on this - there will be a gift card in your future, good sir! Was there a particular one you would want, or just a generic Visa/MC/AMEX work for you?

Pathfinder gift cards :)

or Donation on Paypal at jpstod2@hotmail.com

Liberty's Edge

Michael Monn wrote:
JPSTOD, have you looked at the Ironfang books yet? =)

Sorry...No

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

I keep getting emails regarding the last few posts, so it seems a little explanation is in order.

Paizo's Community Use Policy allows non-commercial users to recreate maps from a particular list of products, *using their own cartography.* CUP users may not charge for access to work created under the policy, but they may accept donations.

It's my understanding that that's what's going on here, so as long as JPSTOD is following all of the terms of the policy (please see that you do, including placing any required language), we are all good here.

(If anybody has reason to believe that that's NOT what's going on here, let me know.)

Liberty's Edge

I recreate the Maps as close as possible to the Original layout as possible.

(Sorry I can't do Good Circular walls and I tend to remodel rooms to eliminate Diagonals, as those 1/2 Squares tend to be hard to use with minis). I use Art From Dundjinni and Campaign Cartographer Art packs.

I use Campaign Cartographer 3/Campaign Cartographer 3+

I have never required anyone to make any payment nor a Donation in order to access any Recreated Paizo Map...Any and All Maps recreated are shared freely with anyone who wishes to use them. I also do not change any Quality for people who donate. If I make a 72 and a 300 or 600 DPI version everyone gets access to those files. I don't just give the higher resolution to the person who sent the Money.

I will try and always make at least a 72 DPI grid and Non grid version of the maps to be used in VTT in PNG Format and a 300 or 600 Grid and Nongrid for people wanting to print out.

I have Posted the Maps on several Sites ...Cartographer's Guild and on Deviantart and "No Payment or Donation" has ever been required in order to view or Download. Any and All Maps recreated based on the Paizo Maps are accessible to anyone free of charge.

The Maps I produce as the Wayward Traveler are 100% my own Concept nor do I claim they are Pathfinder or Paizo products, but since I made a whole $21 last year on Sales I may just make them free from now on also.

Every Where I post the files I do tell people that they are based on the Work of the Original Cartographers and credit them. And I do tell people what Paizo Product they are made for.

Maps are recreated entirely on my spare time and I will try and recreate them in order of request. Maps I need come first as I need them


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I think it's great that you do that (it's the kind of thing the CUP exists for, I suspect) and don't intend the following any kind of criticism, it's more meant as helpful advice (to all and sundry, really).

Make sure you include the full blurb from the CUP:

"This [website, character sheet, or whatever it is] uses trademarks and/or copyrights owned by Paizo Inc., which are used under Paizo's Community Use Policy. We are expressly prohibited from charging you to use or access this content. This [website, character sheet, or whatever it is] is not published, endorsed, or specifically approved by Paizo Inc. For more information about Paizo's Community Use Policy, please visit paizo.com/communityuse. For more information about Paizo Inc. and Paizo products, please visit paizo.com."

I don't know if that's what you meant by crediting where they were from and so forth, but it's worth noting that there are specific requirements like this in the CUP - one advantage over a generic acknowledgement being that it educates other, potential users of the IP how they can do so and where to go for the rules.

Liberty's Edge

You know if Paizo provided 1"=5' Scaled Maps in VTT (50/72 DPI) and DIY Printable (300/600 DPI) Grid and NonGrid Versions all this could be avoided....

:) :) :) :) :)

and
if they have a Forum for Maps it would make it easier to share here instead of people having to google around the web to find usable maps


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A community map forum is a great idea.


I'd be interested in such a forum, both as a creator and a user.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

JPSTOD, you do need to follow the policy and use its language precisely everywhere you're distributing work based on our IP.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Vic Wertz wrote:
JPSTOD, you do need to follow the policy and use its language precisely everywhere you're distributing work based on our IP.

Also, one user says that you have a package of maps from The Harrowing that appear to be our maps with the labels stripped out. If that is the case, please cease distributing them immediately.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

As for a community maps forum, you may have noticed that in the many years we've been operating the messageboards, we have never provided a way for users to upload images of any type. Partly, this is because we don't want to be in the business of having to vet their content, and partly it's because there are plenty of sites that specialize in image sharing that are always going to be better at it than we ever could be.

But if you just meant a place on the website where you can tell people your maps (hosted elsewhere) exist, the best place to do that is in the subforum that discusses the products you're adapting maps from. Which is to say, if you have maps for Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path, the best place to find people who care will be the RotR AP subforum. Maps from a product in the Modules line? Modules subforum. Etc.


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For me, what would be useful is being able to go to one place to look for maps. (Especially if it evolved to just be a place to access any maps - not necessarily maps produced under the CUP). I was picturing it as a promotional service, rather than a hosting service.

I was imagining it would be full of links to other sites, not that paizo would start hosting them.

Edit: I think you edited your post while I was posting (or alternatively I can't read very well...). However, if there were a "maps" subforum it may well become broader than just the kind talked about here.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Steve, I realized what you meant and revised my post while you were posting...


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Wow. Ninjaed again!


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I'm going to stop now. :p

Silver Crusade

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Steve, no more coffee for you today.


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4am start for me. Did it show? :)

Liberty's Edge

Vic Wertz wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:

Also, one user says that you have a package of maps from The Harrowing that appear to be our maps with the labels stripped out. If that is the case, please cease distributing them immediately.

Removed

Liberty's Edge

Vic Wertz wrote:
JPSTOD, you do need to follow the policy and use its language precisely everywhere you're distributing work based on our IP.

Do I have to have it written on each map or on the Posting?

Trying to get the Maps into Albums for the ones I have done so Far.

Sczarni

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JPSTOD wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
JPSTOD, you do need to follow the policy and use its language precisely everywhere you're distributing work based on our IP.

Do I have to have it written on each map or on the Posting?

Trying to get the Maps into Albums for the ones I have done so Far.

I think that we have it as a separate frame on the wiki (this was done so if text needed to change, it could be done on all pages simultaneously) Does deviant art have the ability to do the same? You may be able to go to "Edit" and then scroll down to "Publishing Options" and there you will see the "License" option... you might be able to put the CUP text in there and have it show up on all of them..... I can't tell for sure if that is the case, since I don't have my own diaviantart account

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

JPSTOD wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
JPSTOD, you do need to follow the policy and use its language precisely everywhere you're distributing work based on our IP.
Do I have to have it written on each map or on the Posting?

What we care about is that people who see your work based on our work see that message as well.

Cpt_kirstov's observation about DeviantArt licensing raises another issue: I see you've posted at least some of them under a "Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 License." You don't have the right to attach any license (Creative Commons or otherwise) to something derived from our copyrighted materials.

Liberty's Edge

I'll delete them all ...
ain't worth the trouble trying top help the community

Liberty's Edge

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Liberty's Edge

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SMH. I appreciated what you did JPSTOD. It is a damned shame that the legal hammer had to be swung your way, for someone that was just trying to provide a service that Paizo would not offer (even though you showed them it was totally possible).

Liberty's Edge

Took a look at Many of the other Fan provided Maps...cough cough...I must be blind because I don't see something.

Instead I will just concentrate on my own Maps to sale and on Commissions from 3rd party publishers.

Several have asked for sample Maps and are looking to provide both VTT Battle Maps and 600 DPI versions of Maps with their products.

Seems that the response is always the Same when people ask for VTT Maps ....Cut and Paste from PDF and a blind eye gets turned.

Even Told Paizo I have no problem letting them distribute the maps but naw....they don't wanna do that either.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

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One of the reasons that we have these policies is so that everyone plays by the same rules. If you see others violating our policies, please let us know at dmca@paizo.com.


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Vic Wertz wrote:
One of the reasons that we have these policies is so that everyone plays by the same rules. If you see others violating our policies, please let us know at dmca@paizo.com.

Hmm, I've never heard of that address. I've generally used community@paizo.com (sorry Chris!)

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

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Michael Monn wrote:
...even though you showed them it was totally possible.

I'm not out to malign JPSTOD's work, but even he says above that he "can't do Good Circular walls." Maps built using premade libraries just aren't going to achieve the quality standards we have for our products.

And to be clear here, I'm not asking him to stop—I'm just asking him to follow the same rules that anybody else who wants to do what he's doing has had to follow for the last 8 years. They're very fair and not all that difficult to adhere to.

Scarab Sages

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I just wish the AP maps were of a native resolution (when copy-pasting from the PDF) so that the X and Y of each grid cell is consistent, rather than X axis having say 2px gridlines and Y axis having 3px gridlines. It leads to tons of scaling problems when dropping them in VGT's.

Liberty's Edge

I am not hear to tattle tale on people, but if Someone from the Company wanted to look, all you have to do is look at the Links in many of the posts going back years..I don't see them leading to a Page with any Disclaimer of any sort. Many simply lead to Cloud storage

Quality Standards are subjective...
As A Customer I must say that I am Highly disappoint in the Quality of Maps produced for Adventure Paths and Stand alone moduals in PDFS when Blown up for use in VTTs or Digitally displayed on a Monitor..Very Blurry. While we don't always play directly on the Map, we do use them very very often to let players look at. "What's that blurry brown thing right there?" Especially when High Res Files can be produced
As a GM/Player I hate round walls, and even diagonal Walls because basically they are hard to reproduce on Hand-drawn Battle Maps and Minis can't be utilized in Non full Squares..

Would I be willing to learn how to do better Circular walls..possibly...but...why bother..I don't like them. I don't use them in my Maps as a general rule

As for Stopping Making them..No you never said "stop" but....Well 95% of them I will never ever ever use..a Waste of my time. I would rather sit around making original generic Maps which I don't have to worry about making sure a disclaimer is Worded precisely right or making Maps for 3rd Party Publishers providing High RES Maps for their Customers and Getting paid. Charity only gets you so far in life.

If I ever do need them...I can make then in little or no time. I won't have to worry about no disclaimer. I don't have to worry about storing them somewhere..And I can change what ever I want on them.

Liberty's Edge

archmagi1 wrote:
I just wish the AP maps were of a native resolution (when copy-pasting from the PDF) so that the X and Y of each grid cell is consistent, rather than X axis having say 2px gridlines and Y axis having 3px gridlines. It leads to tons of scaling problems when dropping them in VGT's.

That is because Most Maps are Drawn and then a Grid is inserted.

Some rooms are 12 foot wide instead or 10 or 15..Walls might be anywhere in regards to a grid line.

Most are not drawn to a scale..They draw what looks good to them

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