Template and Stacking

[Denokiller]

I am a Mythic Master summoner, When I summon a Dinosaur, Ankylosaurus, as a Neutral (Summon Neutral Monster Feat) I choose to give them the Counterpoised Creature Template.

Now if I spend 1 Mythic Power (Mighty Summons Feat) I can give it the agile mythic simple template.

Do these stack?

I Understand that the DR does not so I get 5/EPIC unless they have better, but no true rule I can find about these kind of cases.

[Andre Roy]

Template can usually be combined, especially simple ones. So not much issue with combining Counterpoised Creature and Agile Mythic Simple template.

However, I don'the know where you get the 5/EPIC (unless you used it as an example) as mythic simple template doen'the give Mythic subtype only the bonus from the rebuilt rules...and no DR boost for Agile.

So your DR is still DR 5/Adamantine only and not DR 5/Adamantine, Epic

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Mythic Simple Templates

The following simple templates can be used to turn any monster into a mythic creature. A creature given one of these templates counts as a mythic creature for the purposes of spells, abilities, and magic items [b]even though it doesn't have the mythic subtype. Note that because it doesn't have the mythic subtype, it doesn't gain the many benefits of having the mythic subtype—the creature only gains the benefits described in the simple template.[b]

Agile (MR 1, CR +1)
Creatures with the agile template are quick and deadly, moving faster than their normal counterparts and striking with incredible speed and agility. An agile creature's quick and rebuild rules are the same.

Rebuild Rules: Init +20 bonus; AC +2 dodge bonus; hp mythic bonus hit points; Defensive Abilities evasion (as the rogue class feature); Speed +30 feet for all movement types (up to double the creature's base movement speed); Special Attacks dual initiative.

[Denokiller]

Andre Roy wrote:

Template can usually be combined, especially simple ones. So not much issue with combining Counterpoised Creature and Agile Mythic Simple template.

However, I don'the know where you get the 5/EPIC (unless you used it as an example) as mythic simple template doen'the give Mythic subtype only the bonus from the rebuilt rules...and no DR boost for Agile.

So your DR is still DR 5/Adamantine only and not DR 5/Adamantine, Epic

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Mythic Simple Templates

The following simple templates can be used to turn any monster into a mythic creature. A creature given one of these templates counts as a mythic creature for the purposes of spells, abilities, and magic items [b]even though it doesn't have the mythic subtype. Note that because it doesn't have the mythic subtype, it doesn't gain the many benefits of having the mythic subtype—the creature only gains the benefits described in the simple template.[b]

Agile (MR 1, CR +1)
Creatures with the agile template are quick and deadly, moving faster than their normal counterparts and striking with incredible speed and agility. An agile creature's quick and rebuild rules are the same.

Rebuild Rules: Init +20 bonus; AC +2 dodge bonus; hp mythic bonus hit points; Defensive Abilities evasion (as the rogue class feature); Speed +30 feet for all movement types (up to double the creature's base movement speed); Special Attacks dual initiative.

Mighty Summons (Su)

Each creature you conjure with any summon spell gains DR 5/epic for the duration of the summoning. If you cast a summon spell to summon more than one creature, you summon one additional creature of the same type. If you cast a summon spell to summon just one creature, you can expend one use of mythic power to give it the agile or savage mythic simple template for the duration of the summoning.

[Denokiller]

What I a missing is a Clear "Rule" According to my GM Templates cannot stack. And I have been unable to find a clear cut Pazio rule that says "Yes" Just Fan Answers.

[Tacticslion]

A creature can have multiple templates at the same time. Literally nothing prevents this, and there are a few official Paizo creatures that explicitly do.

You may be miscommunicating, however - the GM might think you're using the word "stack" to mean, "get everything from both" (and hence assuming you have "DR 10/epic, magic" or whatever instead of just "DR 5/epic"...

(That is a random vaguely related example, not hard rules.)

For an example of a creature with two templates off the top of my head: a mythic skeleton, created by mythic magic, published by Paizo publishing. (See Mythic Magic... probably somewhere on d20pfsrd.com; my internet is sucky right now, so no links from me today.)

"Skeleton" is explicitly a template.
"Agile" is also a template.

That you can have a mythic agile skeleton is proof that you can have a creature with multiple templates.

[Lady-J]

templates can stack thats how you get dire dread vampire tigers :)

[Tacticslion]

I lied: mythic animate dead, skeleton template, agile template, Paizo RAW.

Enjoy, but be ready to accept your GM's ruling anyway, if it differs; just work with him and maybe find a way to make you both satisfied.

[Lady-J]

if you have dr 10 adamantine from one place and dr 10magic from somewere else the opponent still needs a magic adamantine(or a +4 weapon) to get past your dr so its still dr 10 adamantine and magic no matter which way you slice it you do not how ever make dr 20 adamantine if you have dr 10 adamantine from 2 different sources

[Denokiller]

Thanks that helps soon as I can look it up, (d20pfsrd.com is haveing viewing limits)