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Even within a species critter responses can vary wildly.

Most scamper away.

Some give you a look that tells you to wipe your feet on the way in.


Interesting observation:

Spoiler:
Ren tells Rey that her parents were nobodies, drunks who sold her for drinking money before dying out in the desert. But in TFA Rey sees her parents leaving Jakku in a starship, which presumably a couple of drunks would not be able to afford. Hmm.

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Werthead wrote:

Interesting observation:

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
Assumedly they just chartered a ship, not owned one.

*sigh* I will never understand fan hate.

Spoiler:

Or Ren was lying.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
MannyGoblin wrote:


The Salt Foxes were helpful but how they were used confused me. I think animals would not scamper amongst the humans when the big dog closed. Having them already in the mine would point to the back entrance but be looked over at first since everyone was so focused on setting up

There's two answers for that

** spoiler omitted **

My issue with the foxes weren't only why'd they go into the cave, but why'd the rebels let them? "Hey, here's our last bastion of refuge, with mothballed equipment...let all the native wildlife in to wreck it or attack us out of fear being trapped in our base."

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Koldoon wrote:

*sigh* I will never understand fan hate.

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
I truly hope not, because it's way more important that Rey not be descended from secret space royalty. Being nobody special but saving the galaxy is the heart and soul of this movie.

You know I could hit the button...but there just seems like people posting "spoilers" even after the fact this movie has been out for almost a week now...

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
You know I could hit the button...but there just seems like people posting "spoilers" even after the fact this movie has been out for almost a week now...

I'm not posting anything spoilery in public forums, or social media until the New Year, because not everybody gets to see these things right away because Christmas season, work and real life can get in the way.


*sings* Christmas!


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JoelF847 wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
MannyGoblin wrote:


The Salt Foxes were helpful but how they were used confused me. I think animals would not scamper amongst the humans when the big dog closed. Having them already in the mine would point to the back entrance but be looked over at first since everyone was so focused on setting up

There's two answers for that

** spoiler omitted **

My issue with the foxes weren't only why'd they go into the cave, but why'd the rebels let them? "Hey, here's our last bastion of refuge, with mothballed equipment...let all the native wildlife in to wreck it or attack us out of fear being trapped in our base."

Kinda hard to shoo out the critters when the NO was breathing down their necks


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
You know I could hit the button...but there just seems like people posting "spoilers" even after the fact this movie has been out for almost a week now...

Maybe after a movie comes out, a new thread should be started with SPOILERS in the title? Spoiler free reviews go in the old thread.

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Werthead wrote:

Interesting observation:

** spoiler omitted **

Excellent point ...

There's no way of knowing at this point if he was just trying to manipulate her or not ...


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JoelF847 wrote:


My issue with the foxes weren't only why'd they go into the cave, but why'd the rebels let them? "Hey, here's our last bastion of refuge, with mothballed equipment...let all the native wildlife in to wreck it or attack us out of fear being trapped in our base."

not very spoilery:
As the empire cracked down on the jedi, The rebels have adopted Jedi as a semi official religion of the rebellion even BEFORE luke became a legend. This is why rebels say may the force be with you.

Jedi have a lot of respect for living things, and living things tend to return the favor in one way or another.

Either that or they were conserving ammo.

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Spoiler:
The good guys have always been on the side of nature. It's kind of a key signifier in the series. Crystal Foxes saving the rebels is pure uncut Star War.

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agree:
The casino scene was weak and could have been cut entirely.

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Don't trade chess pieces when you are behind.


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DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
The good guys have always been on the side of nature. It's kind of a key signifier in the series. Crystal Foxes saving the rebels is pure uncut Star War.

Exactly. Like Luke using womp rats as target practise, the dianoga helping them escape the trash compactor, the wompa carrying Luke back to base after his tauntaun died, Han not wanting to risk a valuable animal in the cold, the rancor letting Luke go, the sarlaac....I mean, the movies are just full of this stuff.


Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
The good guys have always been on the side of nature. It's kind of a key signifier in the series. Crystal Foxes saving the rebels is pure uncut Star War.
Exactly. Like Luke using womp rats as target practise, the dianoga helping them escape the trash compactor, the wompa carrying Luke back to base after his tauntaun died, Han not wanting to risk a valuable animal in the cold, the rancor letting Luke go, the sarlaac....I mean, the movies are just full of this stuff.

LOL..Exactly!

Lets not forget the cute furry Ewoks were about to roast Luke for dinner if Three-PO's ethical issues were not circumvented.


Wildlife is only good when it s pretty


rainzax wrote:
Don't trade chess pieces when you are behind.

If you don t trade 3 pawns for a queen now you re toast later

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Wildlife is only good when it s pretty

Spoiler:
The alcoholic blue milk producing creatures?
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Posted two over years ago, before seeing The Force Awakens

baron arem heshvaun wrote:

What do I hope to see in the next Star Wars movie?

Simple.

Do you know how people say that "this movie" or "that movie" is the Star Wars of this generation.

Well how about we have a Star Wars movie that IS The Star Wars of this generation. For any generation while we are at it.

I want the silver screen to have all the elements that made my 7 year old self eyes go wide and mouth drop. I want Star Wars VII to bring back my sheer love and utter awe of Star Wars. I want the orchestra to play long and the audience to cheer wild. I want my villains properly British and my scoundrels with a heart of gold always shoot first. I want to go back and be transported to a long time ago, in the galaxy far, far away, and meet my 7 year old self again and we have the time of our lives. 

I just want my childhood back for a couple of hours.

I wrote this after I saw the movie the first time, also posted over two years ago,

Spoiler:
Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun wrote:

MY Imperial ADVICE BEFORE YOU WATCH THE MOVIE

from someone who just saw the movie

Avoid the spoilers, butter the popcorn, wear comfy clothes, SMILE.

Smile some more.

No need to be skeptical or have low expectations, please leave your life's worries behind for two hours, and invite your six your old self along for the ride.

Be a kid again. You owe it to yourself.

Bring a friend. Go solo. Bring your daughter. Bring your grandfather. Bring that girl you smile at as you walk to work.

Be prepared to cheer, be prepared to tear a little, be prepared to watch it all over again.

Go ahead, allow yourself to go back and be transported to a Long time ago, in the galaxy Far, Far away, and meet your 7 year old self again then have the time of your lives together.

The Force Awakens is deserving successor of the Original Trilogy.

From George Lucas to JJ Abrams, and everyone in between, The Force is Strong once again!

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Another post from over two years ago, when there were some shall we say ‘heavy banter’ about Canon.

baron arem heshvaun wrote:

I have a confession.

I use to be a Canon lawyer. Like a BIG Canon lawyer. That changed very recently. Not all of a sudden mind you, but very gradually, and was only cemented after I saw this current incarnation of the Saga.

I think I have posted what "is Canon and semi Canon, or near Canon or Canon until proven otherwise" at least four times in the past months on several sites and if you go back to the start on the interwebs I think what is and what is not Canon has officially changed seven times and been amended to more than North Korean law to praise their glorious leader.

If I were to type out what I have to say about Canon it would probably be four times as long as any post above.

I will say this, if you like it, then please consider it part YOUR own Star Wars Universe, your life will be all the richer for it, be it Canon, lesser Canon or Demi Canon, or Robot Chicken's interpretation of events.

Don't site it as Canon but mention your source, share the idea.

Hey there are some people out there who like The Star Wars Christmas Special. George Lucas has called lighsabers laser swords in scripts and interviews. And my eye twitches at the mention of midichlorians.

Shadows of the Empire was a multi platform media event, one of the first of its kind, which incorporated a novel, video games, toys, and comic books and it was consider hard Canon when it first came out. Even the moderators of Wookieepedia have argued where it should be listed now.

The are murmurs that the novel Darth Plagueis may be elevated to Canon status and that would signal Snoke is Darth Plagueis.

The Star Wars Saga has united generations of fans from the 70's to 2015, and audiences as varied as movie goers deep in Harlem who vocally and loudly yell at the screen to vast numbers of Tokyo film viewers staring in utter and ghostly silence out of sheer respect, are all still fans one and the same.

So unless you need to site an official source or are writing a doctorate, I think we can all enjoy all the levels of Star Wars.


Rysky wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Wildlife is only good when it s pretty
** spoiler omitted **

were adorable.

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I brought back those old posts to help explain my mindset about the movies.

Each movie in the Saga has been compared to every other, and Yoda knows when we will get another Empire.

So instead of Jawa picking apart each movie, Wookiee combing for plot holes, and despairing of the lack of new inovative combat tactics other than the ol’ standby ‘ram vile hero ship into beautiful villain ship,’ I do something terribly selfish of me.

I race to see each of the new films and take 40 Years off my current age and enjoy the movie for what it is. As the lights dim in the theater and the opening crawl follows the music cues I grew up with, for just a few hours, I childfully escape from my daily obligations, worries, and concerns.

Do I hate that they made Hux a laughing stock? Sure. But do you remember what happened to the greatest Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy?

Do I hate that the First Order Dreadnaught fires at an empty grounded base before targeting a mobile flagship ready to depart? Of course I do. But I also remember Ozzel coming out of light speed too close to the Hoth System.

Do I hate that Luke seems so distant to Rey, and throwing the Skywalker Legacy Lightsaber over his shoulder? That’s kind of an improvement to how whiny he was in the Original Trilogy.

Now if you like shredding the new films on their short falls, well who am I to say otherwise. Your opinion is as valid as mine, probably more-so if I already had Sake.

While Rogue One could be seen as a war movie set in the Galaxy we all love, the Saga films are Space Operas, so I put extra butter on my popcorn and love them for what they are.

I happy with my take away from the movies. I hope you all are too.

And Han shot First!

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That being said

Spoiler:

YOU CAN’T WEAPONIZE LIGHTSPEED!

Well at least not that way.

Sorry needed to get that off my chest.

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baron arem heshvaun wrote:


That being said

** spoiler omitted **

Sorry needed to get that off my chest.

I'm sure there was plenty of First Oder soldiers and officers screaming the same thing :3

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That was an excellent movie.

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I am surprised that

Spoiler:
When Rey found out what really happened with Luke and Kylo at Luke’s training temple, Luke didn’t say “what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.”


Spoiler:

The real problem with jedi seems to be that they can't just go a little bit evil.

Okay, so your master tried to kill you. you kill him. And...

Now need to slaughter all of his students before you take your friends and run. You can't just go run off somewhere? Conquer a planet and rule it with debauchery? Nope. Need to become a genocidal maniac deliberately trying to hit the villain checklist.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
Pure speculation, but the other students might have turned on Ben if they thought he had killed Luke and didn't believe his story.
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The Yin Yang Jedi Temple symbol up close.

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Rysky wrote:
I’m sure there was plenty of First Oder soldiers and officers screaming the same thing

Rysky my reply to your reply.

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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Rysky wrote:
I’m sure there was plenty of First Oder soldiers and officers screaming the same thing
Rysky my reply to your reply.

Baron, my reply to your reply to my reply.

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I think... I don't really know what that reply was about (I know what the scene is).

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Spoiler:
Does the guy to the left of Rose and Finn remind anyone else of Gru and Kyle from Despicable Me?
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baron arem heshvaun wrote:


That being said

** spoiler omitted **

Sorry needed to get that off my chest.

Or more importantly...

Spoiler:
If you CAN, why has nobody done it until now, and why were the Imperials- er, I'm sorry, the First Order- so totally blindsided by it when Rebel -er, Resistance- doctrine until now has practically been "suicide missions and You: A Fun And Engaging Primer!"?


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A study of history will show that no one studies history.

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Cole Deschain wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:


That being said

** spoiler omitted **

Sorry needed to get that off my chest.

Or more importantly...

** spoiler omitted **

I’ve already argued the in universe logic of why It works and how it was already explained in the first movie, and how expensive a plan that is for the team with the fewest resources to spare.

Now let me explain from this perspective: That shot, and moment were awesome, everybody left the cinema with that silent cut burned into their brain. If you take that moment out, or do something else this movie would have been less awesome. Does anybody really want a less awesome Star War?


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:


That being said

** spoiler omitted **

Sorry needed to get that off my chest.

of course you can. It was already mentioned in episode 4 and it happened in rogue one.


Cole Deschain wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:


That being said

** spoiler omitted **

Sorry needed to get that off my chest.

Or more importantly...

** spoiler omitted **

i died laughing, my friend. I DIED.


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DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
Now let me explain from this perspective: That shot, and moment were awesome, everybody left the cinema with that silent cut burned into their brain. If you take that moment out, or do something else this movie would have been less awesome. Does anybody really want a less awesome Star War?

I have plenty of choices for "awesome."

I come to Star Wars for a coherent plot, heroic fantasy in space, and laser swords.


Dudemeister why do you always use Star War instead of Star Wars?


Cole Deschain wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:


That being said

** spoiler omitted **

Sorry needed to get that off my chest.

Or more importantly...

** spoiler omitted **

Hey, how come there's only one chapter and no sequel?


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Cole Deschain wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:


That being said

** spoiler omitted **

Sorry needed to get that off my chest.

Or more importantly...

** spoiler omitted **

Hey, how come there's only one chapter and no sequel?

Huh. Oddly enough, you're the first person to ask.

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Browman wrote:
Dudemeister why do you always use Star War instead of Star Wars?

What's Star Wars?

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shaventalz wrote:
DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
Now let me explain from this perspective: That shot, and moment were awesome, everybody left the cinema with that silent cut burned into their brain. If you take that moment out, or do something else this movie would have been less awesome. Does anybody really want a less awesome Star War?

I have plenty of choices for "awesome."

I come to Star Wars for a coherent plot, heroic fantasy in space, and laser swords.

Coherent plot?

Looks at the prequels, then looks at the camera like he's on The Office.

Spoiler:
I actually like the prequels too.


DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
shaventalz wrote:
DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
Now let me explain from this perspective: That shot, and moment were awesome, everybody left the cinema with that silent cut burned into their brain. If you take that moment out, or do something else this movie would have been less awesome. Does anybody really want a less awesome Star War?

I have plenty of choices for "awesome."

I come to Star Wars for a coherent plot, heroic fantasy in space, and laser swords.

Coherent plot?

Looks at the prequels, then looks at the camera like he's on The Office.

** spoiler omitted **

They didn't have the greatest plot, and they resorted to Handwavium a few times too many, but each prequel's plot was basically coherent and internally consistent.

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Rysky wrote:
I think... I don't really know what that reply was about (I know what the scene is).

Aghast Baron Arem Heshvaun wrote:

You can’t weaponize Lightspeed!

Rysky wrote:
I’m sure there was plenty of First Oder soldiers and officers screaming the same thing

Director Krennic said in link:

Oh, that’s beautiful (retort).

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