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I utterly loathe the Porgs, but otherwise... more or less my take, overall- although I liked it more than the blatant C&P of Force Awakens.
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Some inclusion of the porgs was neccesary, unless you wanted space puffins. They were all over the island and not really removable.
That’s the coolest thing about the porgs to me.
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FURDUCK SQUADON 4 LIFE
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There were so many birds flying around on the island while the movie was shot.
They added the Porgs so they wouldn't have to edit them all out.
I think it adds a bit of something to the movie.
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Its not an either or thing. You can get some people off via shuttle and then handle the rest with the crazy low speed plan.
You do not need to know that they can't be tracked. Land and blend in with the populace. Rose and poe were able to do this for a bit despite being absolutely terrible at it. Hyperspace tracking will tell you that the ship came to Casino planet, or water slide planet, or farmville planet. Or spiritual retreat planet. It won't tell you where the rebel went after that. If they need to divert a ship to look for you after that.. even better.
The order HAS existing and known trackning technology for cloaked shuttles. basing your plan around them inexplicably not using it is while avoiding a plan based around something they MIGHT have is headdesk worthy.
Some inclusion of the porgs was neccesary, unless you wanted space puffins. They were all over the island and not really removable.
And thus, instead of just making them something alien and present, they turned them into a cutesy marketing element.
Banthas weren't cute. Tauntauns weren't cute. Salacious Crumb wasn't cute (even if he does remind me of my dog more than somewhat).
Some form of puffin masking is one thing.
Big-eyed cat-faced "buy the plushie!" is something else entirely.
It is possible to CGI a puffin into something else.
There is no CGI filter strong enough for puffin level cute however.
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Some inclusion of the porgs was neccesary, unless you wanted space puffins. They were all over the island and not really removable.And thus, instead of just making them something alien and present, they turned them into a cutesy marketing element.
Banthas weren't cute. Tauntauns weren't cute. Salacious Crumb wasn't cute (even if he does remind me of my dog more than somewhat).
Some form of puffin masking is one thing.
Big-eyed cat-faced "buy the plushie!" is something else entirely.
you do realize tauntaun plushies are a thing you can buy?
In fact we bought non cute tauntauns and wampas?
The money goes directly to lucasfilm, whether it is cute or not.
You know how marketing works, right?
Your star wars collection fattened lucasfilms wallet jist as readily as anything else.
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I think my favorite scene of the movie was one involving Rey and Kylo Ren.
But I found myself believing that Rey had genuinely come to empathize with Ben, and even see him as a friend. That lent that scene an emotional weight to it that Luke saying no to the Emperor lacked (IMO, of course).
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Becoming a crazy space-hermit is literally the only Jedi retirement plan there is.Apparently decades of telling people to suppress all of their emotions and never form a human attachment to anyone isn't good for your long term psycological health.
There was a cartoon somewhere that parodied this. Yoda tells Anakin to cast off emotion,attachments, etc. The result is Anakin goes crazy and all darkside. Cue Yoda training Luke and Yoda saying, 'Kid, do yourself a favor and get some hookers.'
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Spoiler:The plot can't be "we have to keep going" while you have an escape pod that can can evacuate people and come back but inexplicably isn't.Luke force projecting makes sense. Luke Watching one sun set while watching another one rise is a cool scene. But they don't work together.
Whats the point? Why not have him actually there if he's going to die?
Finally watched it so can comment :-). Note, I mostly agree with you.
They did point out that they were very low in HyperJumpFuel. If one assumes that larger ships use a lot more than smaller ships its just about possible that there was enough to get the one transport away and back but NOT enough to get multiple transports away.
As to the reason that Luke didn't just come, that whole barrage of gun fire at him would have been more than a bit deadly :-). He was FAR more effective as an image than he could have been in real life.
I liked his ending. A deliberate (and necessary) sacrifice to save the remnants of the rebellion. Obviously we're going to ignore the physics problems involved in doing something like that over presumably 10s of thousands of light years :-)
you do realize tauntaun plushies are a thing you can buy?
Now. Decades after the film was released.
In fact we bought non cute tauntauns and wampas?
Now. Decades after the film was released.
The money goes directly to lucasfilm, whether it is cute or not.
You know how marketing works, right?
And did you know the sky is occasionally blue and the ocean is sometimes wet?
I am abundantly well acquainted with Spaceballs: The Flamethrower.
The Porgs, however, were cutesy for cutsey's sake. And thus, I loathe them. Them and those damn racetrack things from that miserable casino sequence.
Your star wars collection fattened lucasfilms wallet jist as readily as anything else.
... What collection?
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Now. Decades after the film was released.
You could apparently get a plush Chewbacca back in 1977.
And you could always get action figures of the wampa and tauntauns.
you do realize tauntaun plushies are a thing you can buy?Now. Decades after the film was released.
In fact we bought non cute tauntauns and wampas?Now. Decades after the film was released.
The money goes directly to lucasfilm, whether it is cute or not.
You know how marketing works, right?
And did you know the sky is occasionally blue and the ocean is sometimes wet?
I am abundantly well acquainted with Spaceballs: The Flamethrower.
The Porgs, however, were cutesy for cutsey's sake. And thus, I loathe them. Them and those damn racetrack things from that miserable casino sequence.
Your star wars collection fattened lucasfilms wallet jist as readily as anything else.... What collection?
the tauntaun toy i bought as a kid begs to differ.
I still want a real life one.
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And the ewok I bought as a kid has something to say as well.
Mainly how soft he is.
Miss that guy.
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Cruiser: "Hey emo ren, We need you to pull back we can't support you at this distance
Ren: "What do you mean?
"Well you're unsupported. You can't fight without support.
"... I just blew up their headquarters, and took out their ships
Fighter 1 "well actually you hesitated and I *gurgle*
Ren *force choke*
Fighter 1 "never... noticed how pretty all the stars are out here.
Ren "anyway, we're doing fine without this "support"
Cruiser "but.. you're unsupported"
Ren " They don't even have external guns. And you don't have external guns anymore. What support are you providing?
Cruiser "but... you're unsupported. Emotionally.
Ren "OH!....." flies back to the cruiser.
I assume Snoke turning Kylo was something like that. Once you turn to the dark side, you're vulnerable to manipulation by those stronger in the dark in a way that you normally wouldn't be. You've given them a way in that they wouldn't have otherwise.
I'm not particularly convinced Snoke was involved in any way. For all that Luke and Leia are on a first(?) name basis with the guy, it's entirely possible than he and Emo Boy first met in a Dark Side bar a couple years after the whole temple fiasco. Between tears and complaining about his mean old uncle, Snoke offered him a job in his super-gigantic fleet of doom, and that was that.
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In The Force Awakens, during the conversation in the Resistance HQ."It was Snoke. He seduced our son to the Dark Side."
1) When something like this happens parents pretty much need to blame somebody or something. So I'd take this with a grain of salt anyway
2) For better or for worse its pretty obvious that we can't rely all that much on The Force Awakens to explain things in The Last Jedi. The two movies really don't fit together all that well.
In The Force Awakens, during the conversation in the Resistance HQ."It was Snoke. He seduced our son to the Dark Side."1) When something like this happens parents pretty much need to blame somebody or something. So I'd take this with a grain of salt anyway
2) For better or for worse its pretty obvious that we can't rely all that much on The Force Awakens to explain things in The Last Jedi. The two movies really don't fit together all that well.
Sorry, my last post on this..even if the movie doesn't fit well with the original trilogy, the god forsakken prequels or the now defunct EU, you would have thought it would/should at least fit with the movie that just preceded it? Guess Not.
For example, they make a big deal about Kylo Rens facial regen several shots of how its healing..but apparently the bowcaster impact crater in his abs was just a pesky flesh wound. No need to address that,.
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Force pasteurization. Yup. its a power.
I find people lack of faith in pasteurization..disturbing.
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I find people lack of faith in pasteurization..disturbing.
Force pasteurization. Yup. its a power.
Not nearly as disturbing as pasteurization through faith.
In The Force Awakens, during the conversation in the Resistance HQ."It was Snoke. He seduced our son to the Dark Side."1) When something like this happens parents pretty much need to blame somebody or something. So I'd take this with a grain of salt anyway
2) For better or for worse its pretty obvious that we can't rely all that much on The Force Awakens to explain things in The Last Jedi. The two movies really don't fit together all that well.
Sorry, my last post on this..even if the movie doesn't fit well with the original trilogy, the god forsakken prequels or the now defunct EU, you would have thought it would/should at least fit with the movie that just preceded it? Guess Not.
For example, they make a big deal about Kylo Rens facial regen several shots of how its healing..but apparently the bowcaster impact crater in his abs was just a pesky flesh wound. No need to address that,.
they didnt address Luke's hand being shot up or leia getting wounded at endor either.
Very True. Its easy to nit pick this thing to death, so I'm going to stop. It's a decent movie. It should be, given the resources behind it. It's not the Star Wars Trilogy I would have made, but I guess I'll just have to write my own screenplay.
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Finn's storyline was basically pointless. Rose was annoying and basically made every scene she was in worse.
Rose did two things for Finn: kept him from running away in their first encounter, and later telling him how the underdogs win. He''' be a more effective Resistance fighter for having met her.
Hux caught the rebellion with their pants down and somehow his grand plan was to make them think they escaped so he could keep chasing them and lose a huge ship in the process.
I believe his plan was to gain information about locations the rebels felt safe running to, and also to consume their fuel supply. The latter very nearly worked.
Rey's parents being no one was dumb, why did we waste all that time in the force awakens if it is irrelevant.
Rey's parents being no one makes perfect sense. All this mystique has been built up around the "Skywalker bloodline", but think back on the number of Force users we've seen over the course of eight episodes, Jedi, Sith and trainees. Think about how many generations of Force users there have been, throughout the galaxy, even before Episode I. Out of all those thousands, how many were Skywalkers that we know of? Four. So who were the parents of all those others? Nobodies.
Luke dying made no sense to me, the reveal that he was projecting was one of the best parts of the movie and to me was entirely undone by him dying afterwards.
He'd cut himself off from the Force for years, and shortly after reconnecting he pulls off a tangible mental projections across who knows how many light years? That's got to be taxing, but it's not clear that it killed him. He may have simply decided his purpose was accomplished, and "spread himself upon the wind", like Apollo in the Star Trek episode Who Mourns For Adonis? He had already decided to die, after all.
Spoiler:He was absolutely right, as the plucky hero always is when they disobey orders.
No. Just no. When you have a uniform and a rank you do not get to willfully disobey orders simply because you think you have a better idea. The fact that many of his fellow soldiers died isn't the problem. The fact that it wasn't up to him to make that choice, is.
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** spoiler omitted **No. Just no.
But trying to make that be true in terms of the story would have required not getting to show a pretty explosion, which they didn't do.
When the story tries to teach him "don't do that again" it doesn't work when he absolutely should do that again, or everyone would be dead.
Spoiler:Okay, so your master tried to kill you. you kill him. And...Now need to slaughter all of his students before you take your friends and run. You can't just go run off somewhere? Conquer a planet and rule it with debauchery? Nope. Need to become a genocidal maniac deliberately trying to hit the villain checklist.
He didn't kill all of them. He took some with him, trained them, and they became the Knights of Ren.
He didn't kill all of them. He took some with him, trained them, and they became the Knights of Ren.
So they're dead from a certain point of view...
More seriously,
How about this then, how can a flagship that size or advanced not have shielding that would not obliterate anything the size of the Raddus on impact?
You know perfectly well that force = mass * acceleration. Even for small mass relative to the FO ship, the Raddus would have had incredible acceleration -- all ships seem to jump to light speed within a few ship lengths -- and it's hardly surprising that the resulting force would have been more than enough to overcome any shielding.
It’s EU now, but it was Canon from 1983 for a long time, in the Star Wars comic, three Star Destroyers, one being a significlaly larger Admirality Class Destroyer, in a grave miscalculation, micro jump out of Lightspeed and disintegrate upon the Executor’s shields, overloading the Vader ship’s shields but barely scratching the giant.
If you are jumping out of lightspeed, you don't have the tremendous acceleration you do jumping in.
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space physics stuff...
Space ship battles make no sense from our world perspective. You suspend that disbelief and go along with how the story tells you it works or implies that it works. There are giant space ship armada battles therefore there's some reason for them to be there.
Which is why its risky from a story telling perspective to yank the audiences suspension of disbelief out for one (admittedly very cool) scene. There's either a reason this doesn't work or a reason it's not standard operating procedure.