Nevermind, it petered out.
All any of the posters here can do is agree or disagree, and that makes any issue flame-bait.
*sigh*
'twas ever thus...
*looks around for his anti-depressants*
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There's currently a thread in Off-Topic about the Scientists' March on Washington, which has been open for a day and a half without being locked.
Can I presume then that the ban on political topics has been lifted, and I would be free to create a thread about, say, the March for Life going on right now?
Please revisit Sara's post for any delays on responses to flags. Understand that our very big announcements yesterday, as well as site downtime, have had an impact on our ability to respond.
All any of the posters here can do is agree or disagree, and that makes any issue flame-bait.*sigh*
'twas ever thus...
*looks around for his anti-depressants*
I don't think it's quite that bad. There are posters here I've come to respect because of their willingness explain their points of view in further depth, and others who have impressed me by accepting my apologies for my own douchebaggery.
I enjoyed the political threads, I just think it's unrealistic to expect Paizo to miantain them when polithread moderation is a full time job and all the Paizo employees are employed full time making RPG stuff.
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I'd like to extend my gratitude for your patience as this thread has gone without proper response this week. My tasks related to the Starfinder preorder launch (including responding to all of the social media queries about the announcement), ACG retail incentive launch, as well as getting paizo.com back in working order (while working relatively in the dark) have kept me away from being able to focus on community-related needs.
I would like to clarify that our temporary pause on political threads has been limited to the Off Topic subforum. We recognize that there are topics covered in our products which may lead to political discussion and debate, and those are discussions that have a definite place on our website. Should we decide in the future to impose a permanent restriction on political threads in Off-Topic, it would not effect the status of threads related to in-game content, but rather threads solely focused on real-world issues.
We do not consider "The LGBT Gamer Community Thread" to be political, and if there were a ban on political threads in the future, it would be allowed to continue. There are a wide variety of backgrounds that make up our pool of employees, freelance authors and artists, third-party publishers, as well as gamers within the paizo.com community, and it is important to us to acknowledge and respect their identities. We understand the decision(s) of community members who wish to hide these topics, omit content from their games, or for whom this stance on identity issues brings them to an impasse. However, within the context of threads on our website, it is not appropriate to disparage any individual on the basis of their gender identity or sexuality, and that guideline is not up for debate (you can find our full Community Guidelines here).
We have made the tentative decision to suspend our pause on political threads (and will be unlocking a couple). If discussing politics on paizo.com is of interest to you, there is a sticky thread of guidelines for these topics available. If you have feedback on these guidelines, feel free to start a new thread in Website Feedback.
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I enjoy the political threads, so I hope to see them restored.
My biggest concern with an end to them is one that has been brought up already: "political" can apply to nearly anything. Any long term ban would need to be precise in definition or appear as caprice.
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Well that was too good to last. Time to get my focus back on
*blink*
Well gentlemen, it looks like we'll just have to work harder at drowning them out.
Perhaps another thread about adorable pets.
Or recipes.
Something to get Tacticslion to favorite everything.
Spring is almost here perhaps gardening tips, rants, pictures, and just general braggery about our gardening.
We can't give up, otherwise the Don Bluthian Mice Cabal in the expensive suit topped by the moldy pumpkin win.
Now, I get to take my pet bull, Jitters, over to the All Bicycle Horns And Expensive China Emporium to get him a new bell.
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Thanks for opening up the political threads again!
^Well, as per the linked post, it's not a complete reopening, but it's better than nothing.
After much deliberation and trying not to think of it biased I think companies should remain out of politics completely. So even if I felt i gained something from the political thread I will have to stay with my belief that companies should stay out of it. However if a company feels it is invested in politics and must be involved then It should dive in with both feet.
Additionally saying the LGBT thread is political is as accurate and me saying every thread and everything we talk about is political in some way or another. or if I were to say every topic is religious in nature because it was created (or not created) by X religion.
^Well, as per the linked post, it's not a complete reopening, but it's better than nothing.
well...a couple of those banned subjects are just common sense things that I think were already banned (e.g. wishing people to die). so of actual political topics I would say it's really just abortion and gun control. That seems an acceptable limitation (Gun control threads on here in the past usually do spiral down into thread closure, so this is probably wise).
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There is no such thing as remaining out of politics completely. I do wish that Paizo had a way to flag a thread as political so that it was easy to hide for folks who dont want to wander into those discussions. For now when you see a political discussion underway you can simply hide it though so its a close second.
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Additionally saying the LGBT thread is political is as accurate and me saying every thread and everything we talk about is political in some way or another.
Unluckily it isn't accurate at all. It SHOULDN'T be that way, but in a world where members of the LGBT community are actively shunned, banished from their communities or families, criminalized or even threatened with death just for being themselves, or, regarding theses forums, where it is necessary to create such a thread so that perfectly beautiful people can feel welcome here too, it is a very political act to openly state yourself to belong to this community.
To say that it's not political is like saying that a thread about equal rights isn't political because in a perfect world, it would be a given and there would be need to talk about it at all.
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There is no such thing as remaining out of politics completely.And that, perhaps, is the true tragedy.Not at all.
There are ways of remaining out of politics - you could for example live in a dictatorship where you're allowed no say at all.Here though, you can't stay out of politics because politics matters. Even if you try to ignore it, it will affect your life. It's how we determine how the country works on both the national and local scales - it affects your rights and the economy, from the lofty heights of macro economics & foreign policy down to the local roads and weather forecasts.
It matters, in big ways and small. People live or die based on decisions made by governments, driven by politics.
Yes, I'm well aware one cannot (and should not) stay out of politics. Good thing I wasn't advocating that.
Not being able to stay "out of politics completely", however, might be a bummer. Some people might see it as a sad testament to the overwhelming reach of the government "leviathan" and it's intrusion into every single aspect of our lives.
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There is no such thing as remaining out of politics completely.And that, perhaps, is the true tragedy.Not at all.
There are ways of remaining out of politics - you could for example live in a dictatorship where you're allowed no say at all.Here though, you can't stay out of politics because politics matters. Even if you try to ignore it, it will affect your life. It's how we determine how the country works on both the national and local scales - it affects your rights and the economy, from the lofty heights of macro economics & foreign policy down to the local roads and weather forecasts.
It matters, in big ways and small. People live or die based on decisions made by governments, driven by politics.
Yes, I'm well aware one cannot (and should not) stay out of politics. Good thing I wasn't advocating that.
Not being able to stay "out of politics completely", however, might be a bummer. Some people might see it as a sad testament to the overwhelming reach of the government "leviathan" and it's intrusion into every single aspect of our lives.
I understand some people thing like that. I don't understand why, but I know they do.
I suspect they've internalized all the good ways government intrudes into their lives as just "the way things are" without realizing government is behind them and focus on the problems.
Possibly. I strongly suspect, however, not all of them. Some of them just realized that government also f*#~s s!$* up.
After much deliberation and trying not to think of it biased I think companies should remain out of politics completely. So even if I felt i gained something from the political thread I will have to stay with my belief that companies should stay out of it. However if a company feels it is invested in politics and must be involved then It should dive in with both feet.
Additionally saying the LGBT thread is political is as accurate and me saying every thread and everything we talk about is political in some way or another. or if I were to say every topic is religious in nature because it was created (or not created) by X religion.
You may be speaking more truthfully than you think. If those in power don't like something, no matter how far you think it is from politics, and no matter how much the affected people do not wish for it to be political, it automatically becomes political. In many cases, merely stating facts is thus automatically political (hence my wish that abortion and gun control were not still banned topics). In the past through present, this has happened to LGBT people, but it can happen to anyone, and you may or may not have warning that this is coming.
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Possibly. I strongly suspect, however, not all of them. Some of them just realized that government also f$$*s s~~% up.Not being able to stay "out of politics completely", however, might be a bummer. Some people might see it as a sad testament to the overwhelming reach of the government "leviathan" and it's intrusion into every single aspect of our lives.
I understand some people thing like that. I don't understand why, but I know they do.
I suspect they've internalized all the good ways government intrudes into their lives as just "the way things are" without realizing government is behind them and focus on the problems.
Of course government f+%!s s&!+ up. It's run by humans.
Damn skippy! If there's one thing we all seem to be good at, it's f$&+ing up good s~+$.